January 28, 2017 at 3:18 pm #41475
Why do you tell that the size of LG 29″ is as tall as 23″? Can you exemplify with a link from this site: http://www.displaywars.com/29-inch-16×9-vs-23-inch-16×9 ?January 28, 2017 at 3:31 pm #41476
You made a fatal mistake – it’s a 21:9 monitor not 16:9 – http://www.displaywars.com/29-inch-21×9-vs-23-inch-16×9. See also – https://pcmonitors.info/articles/the-219-2560-x-1080-experience/.February 1, 2017 at 12:43 pm #41503
So in the end, I can choose only between two monitors that were left after another colleague. He had DELL P2416D (1440p) and P2417h (1080p).
Which of those two do you think will be easier on eyes for long term use?
Both should be PWM free (in addition, P2417h has low blue light mode, but I guess that can be replaced by f.lux). Main difference seems to be resolution and also antiglare is different – P2417h has classical matte surface, while P2416D is more semi-glossy (probably because it has AHVA panel from AUO).February 1, 2017 at 2:10 pm #41505
As noted in the review of the P2416D, the screen surface may be ‘light matte anti-glare’ but it also has a grainy surface texture. Similar if not slightly worse in that respect to the P2417H – it’s hard to seperate them based on that. The P2416D also has a ‘Low Blue Light’ mode called ‘Paper’, as explored in the review.
The key consideration is pixel density – and viewing comfort therefore depends on your eyesight and the viewing distance. Either could be perfectly comfortable, but you need to ensure the pixel density works for your own eyes. That’s something I can’t answer for you I’m afraid, suffice to say the P2417H is the ‘safer’ choice in that respect.February 1, 2017 at 3:05 pm #41508
PCM2, thank you for your answer.
I have read the review of P2416D and it is written quite well. Regarding to the screen surface – as I compare both monitors, I can see only that P2416D has much more reflective surface than P2417H (it works a bit like a mirror when I look from the side and see the room in it) and it feels smoother on touch, but I can’t compare image grainyness – I guess I would need a magnifying glass for that. I think IPS screens like P2417H have also relatively grainy texture, right?
Interestingely also P2416D has considerably more reddish color tint than P2417H on the same image preset (it is visible on white color, especially when using f.lux).
Is there any advantage of using Paper mode as low blue light preset instead of f.lux?
You are right, main difference will be probably the pixel density. What disadvantages can higher pixel density have, if I use scaling option in Windows 10 to enlarge the text to 150%? Text should then have similar size, it will be just smoother / less pixelated, which seems rather like a benefit.February 1, 2017 at 3:39 pm #41509
If you can’t see an obvious difference in graininess or more importantly you’re not bothered by that aspect of either, that isn’t something you need to worry about. The P2417H has a similar screen surface to other matte Full HD IPS models, yes.
Using the ‘Paper’ setting achieves similar results to F.lux but doesn’t interfere with the application of ICC profiles on top, isn’t ignored by some applications (mostly games) and generally preserves the contrast and shade variety a bit better than using F.lux. Even at 150% scaling, provided it scales ‘cleanly’, you’ll gain some benefit from the higher pixel density in terms of clarity and how much information you can fit on the screen.February 2, 2017 at 7:36 am #41539
Yesturday i’v bought Samsung S24E390HL, tuned it like you’v done it here https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/samsung-s24e390hl/ and have 1 question:
“HDMI Black Level= Normal” – This option dissapeared from the monitor menu when i turned display up to 72 mhz and idk if this option working properly or may be is not working at all. Now im confused – should i stay with 72mhz or get back to 60 and be sure that this option is working (i see it and can change it).
Also i will make some photos of backlight bleed soon – think it is too bad and may be i should get it back and change on a good one.February 2, 2017 at 7:43 am #41540
1) HDMI Black Levels are adjusted automatically for 72Hz as the monitor knows the source is not a limited range AV device.
2) It is Hz not MHz.
3) Unless you know how to capture backlight bleed in a way that accurately represents what the eye sees, don’t bother. They will be promptly deleted due to the potential to mislead others. There are enough misleading images like that floating around on the internet already.March 15, 2017 at 3:24 pm #42035
Really the three matte screen options (i.e. all you listed except the Dell S2316H) are very much equivilent for viewing comfort. They use similar panels and are all set up fairly well out of the box, complemented by flicker-free backlights with good brightness adjustment ranges. To me the Dell P2317H seems to offer the best value for money, as although performance may not be revolutionarily different to the others, it offers advantages in terms of ports and ergonomics.
The S2316H is interesting due to its low haze (essentially glossy) screen surface. As far as viewing comfort goes some users would prefer that, others would find it makes little difference and others would find it worse. Particularly if their ambient lighting can’t be kept in check. One crucial factor in all this would be your own thoughts on the S242HL. What do you like about it and what don’t you like about it.
If your uses are text-heavy then it may be worth considering a model with higher resolution as well. Perhaps the Dell U2415 or even a WQHD model. I know you may not have the budget for this now, but I think your first question may have alluded to the fact you could keep your Acer TN until you’ve saved up enough for something quite different?March 20, 2017 at 2:33 pm #42094
need monitor 24 inch for coding .
eye comfort even after long hour of usage
text should be clear and not cause eye strainsMarch 20, 2017 at 2:37 pm #42096
There are plenty of decent options out there of this size that promote viewing comfort by offering a flicker-free backlight, good brightness adjustment range, decent (not overly grainy) screen surface and ‘Low Blue Light’ settings. Various examples are included throughout this thread, but some to look out for include:
Personally I favour the last three from this list simply because they offer a slightly lighter (less grainy) screen surface, giving them a slight edge in clarity. But it’s not a massive difference and they are all quite similar for your uses.April 11, 2017 at 8:07 pm #42588
many thanks in advance for any kind of help
i work on computers(programmer and now also approaching webdesign,graphic design,motion graphic and even indie game developing).i’m going to create my home workstation from zero so budget at this particular time is something to consider
one of my main concern is that i’m experimenting massive eye strain with occasional headaches…i’ve changed glasses,i take breaks and let eyes rest but the problem persist in long sessions..long sessions are the reason for this new home workstation
So particular attention demands the choice of a new monitor,never had problem to pick my gear but this time i cannot figure out evenfrom where to start.
This monitor will be used also for gaming and general purpose so i can state that in order those are my priorities:
1)Eye protection and relief
The general idea is the less i spend,more i have to invest in precious ram and cpu/gpu power.
So i started looking and i found some intersting eye care,flicker free and blue reduction options(some samsung monitors),than i found the ultrawide option that would speed up productivity a lot,than i found the curve options that with large diagonals may avoid continuos refocusing to my eyes,than i found some monitors that even not being exactly professional have srgb values of 99% and easy on screen colour calibration tools(benq if i remember well).
But then i found that some of them were very bad with games ,other had an intersting game mode and other had a cool freesync options(i don’t consider gsync at all,when i can i buy amd),i’m pretty sure that a smooth freesync might be a relief for my eyes…
And then…IPS beautiful colors and sharpness or VA high contrast?Pretty sure i need also a low response time..let’s say max 5ms?
I’ll use a vanilla discrete video card,don’t need dedicated gear at home too,and for my budget…max $350 ,the less the best
AS you can see i need help 🙂April 11, 2017 at 8:15 pm #42593
Hi Caeleni and welcome,
I hope you don’t mind and it doesn’t cause too much confusion, but I merged your thread with this big one as your main priority is finding a monitor that’s comfortable on the eyes. Fortunately this is now a focus of many models from a broad range of manufacturers, so it’s a lot easier than it used to be to find a monitor that is comfortable to look at. This is massively complicated by the fact that everybody’s eyes are different and users are sensitive to different things. But there are certainly displays out there that will tick a lot of boxes.
Given that your uses include design work, I would generally say that sticking to IPS-type panels would be wise. My main recommendation would be the Samsung S27F350FH. It is very much like a larger version of the S24E390HL that we reviewed and have been recommending every since. It is nicely set up out of the box, features multiple ‘Low Blue Light’ modes, has good accurate sRGB colour reproduction and good 60 – 72Hz responsiveness. It also features FreeSync and VESA holes (small additions to the SE390 model we reviewed, as well as the reworked aesthetics).May 2, 2017 at 5:18 pm #42810
I need a monitor for coding mostly, for web development. The main thing I want is protecting my eyes, less eye “pain”. I want to watch the monitor as long as possible.
Never tried curved, and samsung is know for good quality. Although they say Dell is for developers.
The models are
Samsung CF390 Curved
Please elaborate why monitor is the best.
€250 is my budget.May 2, 2017 at 5:25 pm #42813
That’s a tricky one. In terms of eye comfort, which is the main thing you’re looking for and why I merged your thread with this one, the Samsung C24F390 would be my choice. The U2412M should be avoided for several reasons, namely that it lacks a flicker-free backlight and has an overly ‘aggressive’ (grainy) matte screen surface which is literally an eyesore for some users. It has thankfully been discontinued in most markets and ‘replaced’ with the superior P14H and P17H models (plus various UltraSharps).
The P2416D has a critical advantage in that it has a 2560 x 1440 (WQHD) resolution. I’d advise reading the relevant section of the review for more information about that, as it is something that could be tricky to recommend purely from a viewing comfort perspective over a 1920 x 1080 model of similar size. It depends on preferences and eyesight – I find text perfectly comfortable and readable on that model, even though the pixel density is quite high. The resolution gives you potentially a lot more real-estate, even if you end up having to use a degree of zoom beyond 100% or scaling in Windows. The screen surface is not quite as smooth as on the Samsung, but superior to the U2412M and not too bad really. It also offers a flicker-free backlight, good brightness adjustment range and a ‘Paper’ low blue light setting. All covered in the review.
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