Dell S3220DGF, Gigabyte G32QC and other 32″ 1440p gaming monitors

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  • #64282
    sayhejcu

    I’ve received Samsung 32 inch G7 too. Just set it up today. Mixed feelings.

    Coating and pixel structure not bad like chg70, improvement here however G7 have way more scanlines. For example if i highlight this text with my mouse, blue background behind this text full of horizontal scanlines. Reddit icon on chrome browser tab also full of scanlines. Tried AC Valhalla HDR and HDR calibration picture have scanlines. Scanlines are thicker and more. CHG70 didn’t have this problem. Default sharpness seems high, along with scanlines it’s just weird. Screen is clean though, not horrible like chg70. CHG70 have weird diamondlike pixels/wetness. Overall uniformity better on G7.

    Gamma modes are absolutely horrible. All three of them worthless and unusable. First time i’m seeing something like this.

    Contrast is around 1930.

    Motion is excellent. 240hz and good response times.

    Curve is too much but playing Overwatch with amazing motion performance and 32 inch curved screen feels really good. In movies black bars makes the curve look bad.

    Build, buttons and everything better than CHG70.

    Gsync is excellent. No flicker or anything. Better than 32GK850G. Even LG have gsync flicker in loading screens G7 doesn’t have any flicker. Range seems like 70-240 and LFC switch is seamless. Response times and overshoot performance is also amazing at every refresh rate. Great job.

    Gamma shift, color consistency not as good as 32GK850G despite being curved. VA glow and black crush problems exist. However i need to calibrate the screen first. Gamma is all over the place.

    HDR tonemapping is far better than CHG70. Both monitors have same specs but G7 have better HDR.

    This is my first impressions so far. Need more time with it. I have used 240hz TN before but i didn’t notice the jump over 144hz this much. G7 motion is really good.

    #64284
    PCM2

    Thanks for sharing your initial impressions on the 31.5″ Odyssey G7, sayhejcu. A very welcome addition to this thread!

    It’s a shame that the gamma calibration is so poor in all gamma modes. That kind of thing is very frustrating! Hopefully you’ll enjoy it more once calibrated, even though that isn’t something you should really have to do on a gaming monitor. I’m glad you’re getting on well with the screen surface, subpixels and motion performance. Regarding the ‘scanlines’, I’d describe them in this case as ‘static interlace patterns’. Do you notice them less at lower refresh rates? The 27″ G7 model shows them far more strongly at 240Hz, less so as refresh rate is reduced significantly.

    #64294
    sayhejcu

    Thanks!

    Just tried it. Yes 144hz is good. Significant difference. I think i like 32GK850G more. Refresh rate, response times and gsync better on G7 but LG response times are quite competitive after warm up. 165hz and gsync module good too. LG have significant contrast advantage and better color consistency, less black crush and va glow. Being flat is also a plus because 1000R is seriously extreme. 2D images look distorted. 3D game environment looks ok.

    Noticed a stuck pixel on my G7 too. It will go back. I also noticed a defect on my 32GK850G later on. It has transparent black lines on all corners. Defectless panels are unicorn.

    #64484
    sayhejcu

    I can confidently say 32GK850G is better than G7 in almost all fronts except the extra 75hz and faster response times. I admit 32GK850G is quite slow at cold start but it gets very competitive after warm up. G7 have VERY obvious scanlines, skewed default sharpness, bad color consistency (wide gamut exaggerates it even more), bad contrast, bad gamma modes, bad va glow. Also i noticed later that if i limit my fps between 70-75 (this is the range lfc constantly enabled/disabled) there are additional problems like gray tones switches between yellowish and purpleish tone, ghosting occurs momentarily as well. I didn’t noticed this at first glance when i set up the G7.

    Monitor market is really weird. Gsync moduled 32GK850G is $370, 32 inch G7 $760. IPS market is even more weird, MSI MAG274QRF-QD $720 here tax and shipping included. I can appreciate the fast response times and 240hz specs of G7 but adding gimmicks like horrible local dimming and flawed wide gamut shouldn’t increase the price of monitors.

    I adore this LG 32GK850G. However i wanna know the future of 32 inch 144hz+ panels especially the next gen AUO VA if it’s exist. Do you have any insights on this ?
    I see there are monitors like Asus PG329Q, LG 32GP850, Acer 32blabla, Gigabyte FI32 etc. They look good tbh however they are either overpriced(Asus) or they have extremely limited availability(Acer). LG does good job again since i like the 27GL850 too however ips glow and contrast quite unbearable for me. We all saw the news of 32 inch 4k 144hz monitors but i definitely don’t wanna pay $1200-$1500 for those flawed ips monitors. It looks like Samsung gonna release flat versions of G7 line though i don’t expect much from them. I haven’t heard any news about next gen AUO VA panels. Did they abandon it completely ? I’m looking forward to 32 inch 4k 165hz next gen AUO VA with displayport 2.0 monitor around the release of next gen Nvidia gpus. Cost and drawbacks of Oled, Miniled and IPS not looking good so i don’t expect much from those going forward.

    #64491
    PCM2

    I agree with your thoughts on the Samsung C32 Odyssey G7. It’s barely a VA model based on its contrast performance and has quite a few drawbacks. The 27″ model is a bit more appealing in that respect and is also more responsive – it stands as a unique product which many will enjoy. But still has its flaws and is far from a perfect representation of VA technology. I’m not aware of any flat VA panels in the pipeline from AUO. Only the curved models discussed here. As for the IPS models, very much apples to oranges with your 32GK850G. But I expect the upcoming Gigabyte M32Q to be priced quite competitively and certainly below the AORUS model.

    #64494
    sayhejcu

    That’s disappointing 🙁 I guess they bet on 1000R before starting production but even Samsung abandoning it according to this.

    They are forcing VA market to be either cheap low tier monitors or curved and unique/gimmicky monitors. They should treat it like an IPS.

    I think i’m settled on 32GK850G until 4000 series Nvidia gpus and then i will check out 4k 144hz+ 32 inch market. Great job from both AUO and LG. I feel like this monitor is criminally underrated but it was expensive when in production if i remember correctly.

    #64501
    uncia

    I don’t know if this will be of interest to you, but LG has a newer VA model that’s also 32 inches. It’s the LG 32GN650-B. I’m not sure exactly what’s changed, but it’s got the newer design styling from them. Amazon shows it as being released in October of 2020. The sRGB rating is only 95% coverage though. I’m not sure who they’re marketing it to, but I thought I’d mention it since sayhejcu is exploring 32-inch flat VA options.

    #64503
    PCM2

    Yeah, the 32GN650 is a bit of an oddball which is why I didn’t mention it here. I strongly suspect it’s based on the same panel as 32GK850G – and that also had 95% sRGB coverage specified. But I would expect it to be more like the 32GK650F (or 32GK850F) in how it’s tuned. Specifically with lack of that G-SYNC module flair and tight tuning. I could be wrong as I haven’t tested it myself and have no feedback to share, but this is my educated speculation. If LG had a functioning PR department here in the UK I’d probably test it as well, so they’re not doing themselves any favours.

    Edit: I forgot RTINGS reviewed this one. Looks some way between the ‘850G’ and ‘850F’ in how its pixel responsiveness is tuned. It’ll likely give more obvious ‘smeary’ trailing than the ‘850G’ but not to the extent of the ‘850F’. Unfortunately it’s a bit tricky to assess based on testing with grey levels of ‘0’ and ’51’ (20%) and nothing in between. And there’s no indication of VRR related issues like flickering as that isn’t something their testing would reveal. But I would fully expect the usual VA kinks in the VRR performance without a G-SYNC module being used. Might be one to keep in mind still, so good shout Uncia.

    #64559
    sayhejcu

    Thanks for the suggestion uncia. Exactly my thoughts PCM2. I saw there are lots of variants of this monitor. 32GK850G/F, 650F etc… Honestly i didn’t bother much. 32GK850G seemed like it’s flagship model with gsnyc module. Some of them have wide gamut etc… I’m personally fan of VA panels because of the blacks and glows of ips is unbearable for me in a dim room. I use my monitors in dim room for generally entertainment purposes like cinema. So VA panel actually makes quite a big difference. However i think most VA monitors have unacceptable issues, main issue is the bad response times. Select few is acceptable for me like Samsung flagships CHG70, G7 and now this 32GK850G. Only these are ”acceptable” for me. I can honestly smell the 32GN650‘s problems without even using it at this point 🙂 I would probably pick IPS over a bad VA. I can see why people hate VA because most of them cheap and inattentive, sloppy solutions.

    #64952
    sayhejcu

    I noticed something with the 32GK850G. I wonder if this is common especially with the 32 inch monitors since i don’t have much experience with these. Screen coating seems quite thick. Actual screen sits in around 1cm inside. When i inspect the edges of the screen i can see that screen is actually deep inside and i think this is what causes the slightly darkened edges because of reflections. Maybe this is also why it has good black uniformity. No glow or blb problems. Worth noting this is not an issue at appropiate viewing distance. However the coating is not the best. Glossy or semiglossy screens are still extremely rare in monitor market.

    https://i.imgur.com/7jM2wl5.jpg

    #64957
    PCM2

    What you’re observing there is what I like to refer to as a ‘shadowy border’. It’s very common on monitors with a dual-stage bezel design. The inset is due to the fact there are multiple layers and some air gaps between the pixels and inner panel layers plus the outer surface. With a dual-stage design you can see these gaps under the panel border – it’s a ‘compromise’ made to achieve the slimmer dual-stage bezels people usually find aesthetically pleasing. This is more pronounced on some models than others and tends to be more noticeable if you’re sitting relatively close to the screen or if the edges are at a greater angle relative to your eye line. Which is why it can be easier to observe on a 32″ model or UltraWides. I actually highlighted this in the review of the 32GK850G due to it being quite pronounced with that panel. And because dual-stage bezels were somewhat newer and more novel back then – I no longer raise this as an ‘issue’ on a model unless it’s particularly obvious from my normal viewing position or just slightly closer.

    #65111
    PCM2

    Some thoughts on some of the high refresh rate IPS options can be found on this thread.

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