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October 19, 2021 at 7:13 am #66488Tonyyyfff
I ask for advice to the more experienced because as far as monitors are concerned I am a “novice”
Premise …. soon I will switch to ps5 and play mostly Cod multiplayer
I’m looking for a ps5 monitor with excellent response times (60hz, 120hz), very little blur in the movements and a very low input lag! I’m only interested in performance … no graphics!
Sifting through the web between sites / reviews (rtings etc) I optioned the following monitors:
MSI OPTIX MAG 274QRF-QD (there is a new firmware that improves saturation … has anyone tried it?)
MSI OPTIX G273QF
BENQ ZOWIE (TN PANELS) XL2746S
LG 27GP83B (unfortunately not yet available in Italy …. “strangely” better than the big brother lg 27gp850 based on reviews I’ve read)
MSI OPTIX MAG272CQR
I appeal to those who play multiplayer fps … to their experience! What monitor do you use for your gaming sessions and which ones do you recommend? What do you think of the monitors I have listed?
Can someone who uses the Benq zowie panel (tn) tell me how it is located and above all explain to me what the ama and dyac technology is? Are the Benq zowie panels as good as some say? But above all they are good for the ps5? I could use the dyac technology at 60hz / 120hz or is it only possible at the native resolution of the monitor?
Finally I would like to ask you which “black lightening” do you find best in the various panels on the market … in short, that option that makes the dark parts clear … dark … msi I call it “night vision” lg and gigabyte black stabilizer!
In the past I tried a lg 27gn850 but the black stabilizer tended to make everything gray (both the opponents and the environment) .. maybe I was wrong some setting …
If anyone has a monitor that I have listed or another model to recommend can they share their experience?
I appeal to multiplayer cod players who play ps5
Thank you all!October 19, 2021 at 7:50 am #66491PCM2
I’ll field this question because I play competitive multiplayer games on a PC – usually at a higher refresh rate than you’ll get on the PS5, but with plenty of experience at similar refresh rates and frame rates to what a PS5 would provide. So I’m particular enough in what I recommend for such purposes and have high sensitivity to the sort of performance aspects you’ll also find important. I also gather knowledge and feedback from a huge number of sources and share them here – think of the forum more as a knowledge base than a traditional forum. Input from others who game on the PS5 specifically is very welcome here as well. I recommend the same models for PS5 usage in this respect as I do PC usage. So check out the following threads:
– I don’t recommend WQHD models using Nano IPS panels. Other alternatives offer very similar responsiveness with superior contrast. And as you point out their ‘Black Stabilizer’ feature is quite poorly tuned and that isn’t something that has changed on their newer models from feedback I’ve received. The 27GP850 and 27GP83A are the same aside from the overclock feature which you can’t make use of for the PS5 and lack of USB ports. As you’re limited to 120Hz max anyway. There are no differences beyond that in performance that couldn’t be accounted for by inter-unit variation or different testing methodologies.
– The MSI G273QF (G273QPF) strikes an excellent balance between responsiveness and image quality. It offers better gamma handling than the MAG274QRF-QD as covered in that 2nd thread linked to above (this post, specifically). That thread also focuses in on the firmware update, which isn’t about “improving saturation” but rather adding additional colour space emulation settings including sRGB emulation and DCI-P3. Most people will find the saturation levels of the G273QF/QPF using its native gamut rather agreeable anyway and if you’re going to be running the QRF-QD with emulation you’re taking away its ‘advantage’ – the very wide colour gamut offered by its QD backlight.
– The Gigabyte M27Q is a very capable monitor as well. Not technically as responsive as the MSI models, but you may not notice this difference. Most wouldn’t, but there are some weaknesses (explored in appropriate detail in our review). Our OSD videos also run through the gaming-focused features including the low-end gamma enhancement features you were referring to. ‘Black Equalizer’ in this case, which as shown below does indeed affect black point in the same way as LG’s implementation. MSI’s ‘Night Vision’ feature on the above models is better-implemented than this. And so is BenQ’s, Acer’s and ASUS’s version of the technology for that matter.
– You’re very unlikely to notice any positive difference in responsiveness on the BenQ XL2746S compared to the fast IPS models, but will notice the significantly worse overall image quality. Not just colours but the significantly grainier and ‘heavier’ screen surface and perhaps the weaker static contrast as well. It’s meant for 240Hz PC gaming, not 120Hz PS5 gaming – don’t pay attention to any tryhards who think it will make them godly on COD on the PS5. It won’t. Not compared to those IPS models and anybody with experience of both is likely to recommend the latter.
– AMA is a pixel overdrive setting and in this case or grey to grey acceleration – in this case one which gives overshoot that you don’t get on those IPS models without giving you a practical edge in pixel response speeds. Trust me, it’s just not as well-tuned. DyAc+ is a strobe backlight technology. These terms are all covered in our article on responsiveness. DyAc+ is a good strobe backlight technology and does work at 120Hz, but not 60Hz. Most people would find 60Hz flickering uncomfortable and difficult to tolerate and most gamers don’t like it at 120Hz, either. You also need the frame rate to match the refresh rate exactly, which isn’t always a guarantee on the PS5. It’s a technology some will like and you can make use of it on the PS5, but it’s a bit of a niche feature even amongst competitive gamers.
As an important side note, there’s a more general thread which covers recommendations for the PS5 (others are also given in the recommendations section). If you’re purely looking at competitive gaming on the PS5 and won’t be running at ‘4K’ (downsampling or otherwise) for any titles you play, are you aware you can’t run the PS5 at 2560 x 1440 (WQHD)? In that case it really makes little sense to look at the options you’re looking at, you should save some money and go for a native 1920 x 1080 (Full HD) model like the BenQ EX2710 instead.October 20, 2021 at 7:08 am #66512Tonyyyfff
First of all thank you for the answer … I will obviously read the posts you recommended … I had already read something
Unfortunately, at least for me, finding a “suitable” monitor is proving very difficult and frustrating!
I am relying on the various review sites (rtings HB, yours ..prad.de Tom’s Hardware) and I have noticed that between various reviewers, some times, the test results are different and this adds to the confusion!
I would like to ask you, first of all, in addition to yours, which review sites do you recommend? Which ones do you think are the most reliable and “accurate”? I saw for example that there is also “tftcentral” but it doesn’t review many monitors! I wish you could also review many more monitors to give further help to those who decide! Also, unfortunately, I noticed that many reviews focus on the native “performance” of the monitor completely forgetting the frequencies and the performance with the consoles (60hz..12ohz) .. I really wish there was an update on that!
I tried lg 27gn850 and the latest version lg 27gp850 …. certainly the latter much better than the more “famous” gn850 …. better response times but as input lag I don’t know it didn’t seem very responsive and more, like you noticed too, the black stabilizer function is not very “functional” because it tends to lighten the whole environment making it paradoxically more difficult to identify enemies! but it’s not much … maybe due to the low contrast!
Based on the reviews of rtings I read the review of the lg 27GP83B-B … I live in Italy and it is not available but I really wanted to take it because it looks better in all respects than its “big brother” both in terms of speed and input lag! I wanted to ask you in the LG panels DAS technology is always indicated … from what I understand the input lag decreases! am I wrong? Could you explain better what it is? And it is true that this technology is “activated” only at the native frequency of the monitor ? So, to give an example, if the monitor is 144hz this technology will activate only at 144hz otherwise if you go with a 60hz console you will not be able to use it ..
Right now I would be more inclined for Msi Optix mag274qrf-qd / MSI Optix g273qf! Reading the rtings review the 274qrf-qd seems slightly faster but the g273qf has better input lag! What I fear about these MSI, especially for the QD version, is, as reported by the reviews, “that the bright scenes are too bright or too bright” and the dark scenes are too dark (the latter situation does not bother me much with the ‘night vision option) … this would be a big problem for me because I only play multiplayer fps and not identify an opponent because the vision is too bright / clear would be serious for me … also the excessive saturation of colors for the could multiplayer fps be a problem?
The Gigabyte m27q has the “problem” of the black stabilizer but it seems excellent as input lag! As for the speed I cannot understand from the reviews if it is better / worse / than the MSI … could you clarify this aspect for me? the m27q there are different opinions .. for example for HB it is a panel inferior to both the Lg nano ips and the Msi as far as speed and input lag are concerned!
According to your technical experience the last gl 27gp850 as input lag at 60hz what value is it? Rtings reported 9.1ms but it seemed greater to me!
I have seen some reviews regarding the Benq Mobiuz but some reviewers (and I have not found many honestly) including tomshardware uses I rank below the msi optix mag 274qrf-qd! What do you think? Your review is even that of prad.de is positive instead! I can’t figure out if it can be a solid / valid option or is it lower than the msi or the latest Lg. I am also evaluating the AOC 24G2 but I would only take the one with the most performing panel (Panda) in fact I have read that the new Boe panel is much more “poor” in terms of performance. Could it be a viable option or is it too old and out of date?October 20, 2021 at 7:35 am #66520PCM2
First off, I’m glad you enjoy the reviews. They take a tremendous amount of time and effort – I like to spend a good 3 weeks or so with a monitor not just testing it but using it as a normal user as much as possible. That allows me to cover things in a completely unique way and cover areas other reviewers don’t. I receive ‘visual feedback’ on the monitors I review from another keen-eyed individual but I do all of the main testing, writing and editing myself. So it’s not possible to cram any more monitors in. TFT Central is run by a lovely chap called Simon Baker. He too takes a lot of pride in his work and does all of the testing and writing himself. Unlike RTINGS, we don’t have separate teams of people dedicated to testing, writing and other aspects. So our review process and the number of screens we can review is very different.
I’m not going to address all of your questions, I’m going to keep this simple. You are obsessing about some tiny differences here which are entirely inconsequential. For example, you certainly can use RTINGS data – but at the same time be weary of the conclusions they draw and especially their ratings system. I’d recommend you read this post plus my next post on that thread. And if you want some further technical background on things to be wary of when it comes to testing methodology, also read this thread. In short, there is no actual difference between the MAG274QRF-QD and G273QF/QPF when it comes to pixel responsiveness. And I’ve made my recommendation for the latter clear abased on its superior gamma performance and what that means for the image. Though the ‘Black Stabilizer’ feature isn’t great, the M27Q allows you to change gamma mode and some of the settings will improve detail levels for you in dark areas but won’t affect contrast at the same time.
I’ve also made it clear in my posts that the MSI models are faster than the Gigabyte M27Q – at least technically. And this is a difference most people won’t notice, though some will. The MSI is similar to the 27GP850 when it comes to pixel responsiveness. I think you’ll find the ‘Night Vision’ function useful, or hopefully will find its significantly stronger native contrast and how the gamma is tuned just fine for enemy visibility. Really, that’s something you’d have to test for yourself. I’m not sure why you found the input lag of the 27GP850 problematic at 60Hz. I haven’t tested it myself with my own methodology – ‘DAS’ is supposed to be an integrated feature that’s ‘always on’. In practice it’s marketing fluff. Different models perform differently when it comes to a signal delay regardless of similar features they may or may not tout. And perform differently at 60Hz vs. 120Hz+ when it comes to signal delay – with some the signal delay is nice and low at both refresh rates and with others there’s a discrepancy.
My recommendation for the BenQ EX2710 is clear as a 27″ Full HD option. I don’t really care what another reviewer ‘ranks it as’ or ranks its 25″ sibling as comparing an apple (Full HD standard gamut IPS) to an orange (WQHD wide gamut IPS). It’s a fast monitor, ‘Black Equalizer’ is well-implemented and it offers you great flexibility with gamma and good tuning in that respect. AOC 24G2(U) is discussed extensively on this forum. It’s slower than the LG models you’ve tested and also the BenQ when it comes to pixel responsiveness – this comparison is drawn in the BenQ review in fact. But it’s still fast enough for most people and is an excellent value for money proposition. However my own recommendation at the moment for that sort of size and resolution is the Acer XB253Q GP – this post compares it to the AOC. Yes, the one with Panda panel as used when we reviewed it and used again now, just not for a relatively brief period when the BOE alternative was used. The AOC has a wider colour gamut than the Acer and BenQ, so if you like a more saturated look to colours this might still be the Full HD model to try.October 20, 2021 at 8:37 pm #66526Tonyyyfff
I am not English and I do not know this language very well .. I use the translator and as regards the Benq EX2710 I have the wrong translation … I have read wrong … I apologize!
My intent, however, is to have less ghosting and movement artifacts!
And frankly I didn’t know that the Ama on Benq Zowie models is not that well tuned nor that the Dyac is basically strobe backlight technology and runs at 120Hz, but not 60Hz! This I didn’t know !!! Thanks for this info ! Sorry that there is always this sneaky and bogus Marketing then! Models like the zowie xl BenQ ZOWIE XL2546S / BenQ ZOWIE XL2546k (difference between “s” and “k” what’s the difference! ??) are useless with consoles yet they recommend them!
And it is curious that in their site perhaps the most suitable panel for consoles (Benq Zowie XL2411K) is reported this Note: “Due to the design limitations of the panel, the brightness of the XL2411K will be reduced when DyAc ™ is turned on.
In my country, the Lg 27gp850 has strangely dropped to 399 eurosOctober 20, 2021 at 8:49 pm #66531PCM2
I can certainly appreciate how language differences can make it difficult to interpret things. I often translate pieces from languages such as Korean, German and Chinese. And even with a high level of technical knowledge, some things remain very difficult to interpret. With monitors most people would probably find things hard enough to interpret even when you speak the same language. Monitors are very different to other aspects of PC hardware given how subjective the whole experience is and unfortunately that means a lot of interpreting data and listening to often conflicting experiences with different models. 🙂
I agree with you about the annoying marketing for some models and the poor communication of the differences between models from the manufacturers. The XL2546K is really just a very mild refresh of the XL2546S. It has a redesigned stand that is supposed to be more friendly for PC gamers who like to angle their keyboard and place it close to the monitor. And the ports are slightly different (‘K’ has more HDMI ports and dropped the DVI port). I believe it uses a slightly newer variant of the panel but I’m not entirely sure that’s the case. I know people have reported using both models and found the performance very similar. I found the ‘K’ being launched mere months after the ‘S’ model to be really odd! Usually when they’re reported as suitable for games consoles it’s really just saying they will run 1920 x 1080 @120Hz and could be used for games consoles as a secondary use. I do know console gamers have bought models like that thinking they’d be ideal for console use without realising you can’t use their full feature set and you’re just overpaying by buying such a monitor for games consoles.October 24, 2021 at 8:43 am #66566Tonyyyfff
Ciaooo and good Sunday
Here I am with another question / curiosity …. on MSI monitors looking at the manuals I noticed that there is a function called “image enhancement” – “improve the edges of images to increase sharpness” which can be activated with various levels (off, weak, strong etc)
Could this feature, on a technical level, “burden the process” by increasing input lag?
Also there is another very similar function called “HDCR” what is the difference between these two options? And why implement them if the “sharpness” option exists?October 24, 2021 at 8:49 am #66568PCM2
It’s not unusual for gaming monitors like the G273QF/QPF or MAG274QRF-QD to have multiple sharpness filter options. The straight up ‘Sharpness’ option is usually gentler and more progressive compared to others like ‘Image Enhancement’. Gigabyte for example has a feature called ‘Super Resolution’ in addition to the main sharpness control on models like the FI27Q-X I’m currently using (also on the M27Q) and they both have a different effect. You can use both together and achieve a different sharpness level or filtering style compared to using either control separately. Input lag is not significantly affected by such filters.
HDCR (High Dynamic Contrast Range) is simply a Dynamic Contrast option which allows the backlight to adjust (as a single unit) according to the overall levels of light or dark on the screen. In other words, it’s a compromise and causes constant shifting of the backlight which most will find annoying but some will perhaps like. On models with a light sensor it can also make adjustments based on ambient lighting – these models don’t have that feature. Refer to any of our reviews which explore Dynamic Contrast if it’s available. It’s not something most people will want to use under SDR but can make sense under HDR if there’s no local dimming as without it the backlight will just stay at a very high level, flooding dark scenes due to the high black point. Usually the monitor will use its own Dynamic Contrast (or not use it) under HDR that’s separate from that setting, however.October 27, 2021 at 8:14 pm #66575Tonyyyfff
Thank you as always for your reply!
I would like to know what kind of panels use Msi MAG274QRF / Optix G273QF compared to Benq EX2710 / EX2510
Which are the most recent? Reading the various posts they should both be AUO!
Finally I would like to ask you if in the future you plan to develop a section dedicated to console monitors on your site!
I think it’s a great idea both for you … you would most likely be the only one and you would greatly increase the user … both for users who do not have a great knowledge of monitor / pc and are looking for the best performance (speed, input lag , blur) of monitors “connected” with a console!
And I guess for you, based on your knowledge and technical notions, based on the limitations of consoles, it is also quite simple 🙂October 27, 2021 at 8:30 pm #66582PCM2
One of the first things I said to you in my first reply: “I recommend the same models for PS5 usage in this respect as I do PC usage”. There is a lot of crossover as modern games consoles are just like mid-range PCs with certain limitations added. There is plenty of coverage specific to console gaming integrated into the website already:
– There’s a dedicated article on console gaming which covers exactly what you should look for and limitations to be aware of.
– The dedicated gaming recommendations page covers PC and console recommendations and covers the level of support offered by each monitor for such uses. Again, there’s plenty of crossover. You’re limited in terms of the resolutions and refresh rates you can run on the console, as covered in the article and reinforced on that page. That aside, the points raised apply to the monitor itself and apply equally to console and PC gaming.
– Our reviews also cover the refresh rates and resolutions monitors support and link that back to console usage. We specifically cover 60Hz and (where possible) 120Hz because those refresh rates apply to games consoles. We also specifically test features such as HDR not just as it would apply to a PC user but also via HDMI on AMD graphics hardware – because that’s what the console users. Many don’t appreciate this, but we go above and beyond with our testing by using both an AMD and Nvidia GPU and both HDMI and DisplayPort. It’s important to cover the AMD via HDMI side because some monitors have certain quirks there and that would apply for console gaming on the likes of the PS5 and Xbox Series X.
As for the BenQ MOBIUZ models (EX2710 etc.) and (MSI G273QF etc.) models, they both use AUO AHVA (IPS-type) panels of a similar age. You’re comparing a Full HD monitor with sRGB gamut to a WQHD monitor with wide gamut. They’re quite different experiences as I’ve already pointed out.
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