32 inch for DCI P3 and RGB work with good text clarity

Viewing 20 posts - 21 through 40 (of 47 total)

Buying a monitor? Please refer to this post before purchasing.
New user? Register here.


  • Author
    Posts
  • #66728
    PCM2

      Hi ruimarto,

      Given your uses and the fact you’re mainly focused on publication on the web, I do feel it’s probably best to simply stick with a monitor that offers good sRGB output. The PD3200U will offer this for you and actually with sRGB emulation the wide gamut options should give you decent results as well. This is assuming you don’t have a colorimeter or other calibration device – if you do this is much less of a concern, you’ll just want at least 100% sRGB coverage and you’ll be good to go. Quite a few of the wide gamut models including the EW3280U offer sRGB emulation as well, but it is still restrictive in most cases as it can provide sRGB under coverage and lock out colour channel and gamma adjustments. The PD3200U is solidly built and offers an intuitive and feature-rich OSD. I wouldn’t be put off by the age of the monitor – it’s still a good one and a model I continue to get good solid feedback on. 🙂

      The ASUS PA329CV could be a nice alternative if you prefer the modern styling or could make use of the USB-C functionality. I’ve only been given limited feedback on that model though I did request a sample from ASUS here in the UK and was told they don’t currently offer samples for any of the 32″ ProArt models. I would reiterate that you shouldn’t be lured in by the cheaper cost of the 32UN88A – it is just a re-designation of the 32UN880 and uses the same BOE panel. Based on my usage of other BOE panels and feedback people have shared with me, the screen surface is not as light and is grainer, whilst colour consistency isn’t quite as good. There’s some saturation loss (not extreme) towards the edges for some shades that you wouldn’t get from the others.

      #66738
      ruimarto

        Sorry, I edited my post after your reply (for some reason only now I saw it). And thanks as well. 🙂 Regarding calibration, I do own a SpyderX Elite. And maybe for this reason some people told me to look at the EW, as it would provide better results overall (as in 100% srgb and over 80% in adobe in case I need it).

        I think I read somewhere that the PA329CV panel was actually the same as the PD3200U, which would actually just make it an expensive update. My personal computers don’t have type-c, only my work laptop has but I don’t mind one or two more cables on the desk.

        And what about the Viewsonic? I’ve seen it as the best “budget” photography monitor, competing with monitors twice the price, but then saw feedback that the 14bit LUT is useless (as in not changeable) and that to turn on some things, all else gets locked (i.e. in some modes to achieve wide gamut it limits brightness).

        In general, I’m amazed at how much it is of a leap from 27″ monitors to 32″, specially with 4k resolution.

        #66744
        PCM2

          You can see from the bezel design the PA329CV doesn’t use the same panel as the PD3200U. One is dual-stage with a slim panel border, the other is not and this is due to panel differences not just external housing. It most likely uses an AUO panel and that could even be from the M320QAN01 series, but it won’t be the exact same panel as the PD3200U. I think it’s more likely it uses the M320QAN02.0 🙂

          I’ve shared some thoughts on the ViewSonic VP3268-4K in this thread. But I don’t really have any more recent feedback to share and it isn’t a model I can strongly recommend myself. People are generally satisfied with it and the factory calibration seems solid. As you own a colorimeter you shouldn’t really concern yourself too much with certain monitor presets locking brightness. It’s only a standard gamut monitor, though, as it’s much closer to sRGB than any other reference space. So I’m not sure what your reference is to modes which “achieve wide gamut” on that one. The LUT should be addressable (i.e. hardware calibration supported) using their ‘Colorbration’ software and that includes with the Spyder X. I haven’t used the software myself and frankly for your uses and based on the results achieved with regular software calibration on the other models I don’t see this as a big selling point either way.

          #66758
          kaneda

            Aloha everyone, I wanna buy a monitor, will be my 1st. I been using a tv as monitor for like……forever.
            I looking for a 32″ 4k and as hobby I like Photo and video, mostly to post on internet or watch on my Qled.
            Maybe in time a little printing of the images of my wife’s Nikon D3200.
            Since my budget is around 600$US, I was looking 2 monitor.
            Lg 32UN650
            Benq 3270u
            Or any other recommendation at this range price.
            Oh, I planing to buy a colorimeter at the same time.

            Thank you for the advice.

            #66760
            PCM2

              Hi kaneda,

              I’ve merged your thread with this one as it’s a suitable place and includes some recommendations. I don’t specifically recommend either model you’ve listed there for photography or similar purposes, though the LG 32UN650 is certainly still decent for such uses and it is one I recommend for productivity due to its size, resolution and price primarily. I’d certainly recommend it over the EW3270U for colour critical work (highly advise reading the ‘colour consistency’ section of that article). For displaying your work on the internet you’ll want to stick to the sRGB colour space, but for outputting content on the TV you could ‘enjoy’ a wider colour gamut. For the sake of accuracy you’d need to calibrate the TV as well as the monitor, but in theory you would get a visually pleasing representation on the TV if it offers decent DCI-P3 coverage and the gamma is in-line with the monitor even without full calibration. Luckily this thread covers options that offer both good sRGB and DCI-P3 performance.

              Now with all of that said, I’d keep your eye on some of the models listed over the Black Friday weekend we recommend such as the BenQ EW3280U to see if they slip into your budget. The 32UN650 isn’t a bad fallback option if needs be, but the BOE panel it uses isn’t as good as the panel used in the EW3280U or some of the other options for reasons explained in my previous post (colour consistency and screen surface primarily). It doesn’t seem to offer an sRGB emulation mode, either, so that colorimeter will be a nice investment as well! The LG would remain a better choice than the EW3270U, that’s for sure. You can’t calibrate your way out of weak colour consistency.

              #66772
              kaneda

                Thank you for your fast response, Is the Lg 32UN650 panel the same one as the LG32UN880?
                I read your article about the EW3280U, I like the Colour reproduction part. I like it very much.

                One last question sorry, If the monitor don’t have a Srgb emulation, can I calibrate a create a Srgb profile or how this work?

                #66776
                PCM2

                  Yes, both LG models use the same BOE panel. As covered in the sRGB emulation article, if you calibrate the monitor using a colorimeter and therefore use ICC profiles, the gamut is mapped correctly in ‘colour-aware’ applications (e.g. photo editing applications, most modern web browsers etc.) For non ‘colour-aware’ applications such as the general Windows desktop environment, games and various other applications that aren’t exclusively colour-managed this does not occur and you will see oversaturation unless sRGB emulation is used.

                  #66779
                  ruimarto

                    Meanwhile, the MSI Creator PS321URV came into play with black friday deals. It’s now at 690€. Do you have any feedback on it? It’s quite tempting.

                    Currently the playing field is leveling for the EW3280U, PD3200U, PA329CV and a few others. I’m inclining towards the Asus as more future proof and because it already has the clamp, it saves me a few €€€ so it’s worth at least 50 to 100€ more than the others.

                    #66783
                    PCM2

                      I haven’t given any feedback on the MSI PS321URV so far simply as I don’t have any to give; that’s still the case (or not – see edit below). As a general point I’m a bit annoyed with MSI as I was in communication with them (they actually reached out to me) to arrange some samples but then they fell silent when they learnt I was from the UK. This is part of the reason I had a bit of a gap in reviewing recently that wasn’t filled. I don’t much like their general attitude on the PR side, at least. This won’t affect what I recommend when they have good solid products and I do recommend some of their gaming models from time to time. But a lot of the time they seem to miss the mark on basic areas such as gamma whilst providing little to no flexibility there, which is a pet hate of mine. Not saying it applies in this particular case, but they can be pretty adventurous with their colour gamut claims which confuses people and they can also do the same with bit-depth claims – most manufacturers strictly stick to the panel there rather than including any additional processing (including dithering) added by the scaler or GPU. They’ve got some genuinely interesting products at good prices, but given lack of feedback on the PS321URV I can’t really advise on it.

                      Edit – some useful information on the MSI PS321URV:

                      With the help of a friend on Twitter, I came across this review (Chinese) which confirms it uses the AUO M320QAN02.1 – same as PA329C. Pretty solid panel actually and quite similar to the EW3280U’s panel in some respects. They recorded 93% DCI-P3 with their Spyder, so a bit below gamut spec. alongside 84% Adobe RGB. This compares to the 96% DCI-P3 and 86% Adobe RGB I recorded with my Spyder on the BenQ EW3280U. Gamma tracking is very good and there are various gamma settings, so quite different to their gaming models in that respect. Their sample had a significant issue with colour temperature uniformity towards the left side of the screen – that can vary between units.

                      The sRGB emulation setting for what it’s worth only covered 95% sRGB on their sample. OK but not great. There’s also an Adobe RGB mode which cuts down overextension in the red to blue region of the gamut – but remember there’s only 84% coverage to play with. And a DCI-P3 mode which is pretty similar to the native gamut and overall ‘state’ of the monitor. It appears the monitor retains brightness control with these emulation settings but I’m not entirely sure what is locked and unlocked. Again, as you own a colorimeter I wouldn’t stress too much about any of this, you’d just use the native gamut and profile the monitor with that after making manual adjustments to colour channels, brightness etc. It seems like a decent monitor all things considered, though it would be good to see more data on it. It’s still not one I’d personally recommend as strongly as the EW3280U. Or PD3200U if you’re happy to stick with solid sRGB.

                      #66784
                      ruimarto

                        In this segment, to me at least, it always feels really disappointing when monitors are not readily available to reviewers. If they are targeted at professionals, then the biggest selling point they can have is how solid is the thing. Pros don’t usually just jump to the latest fad, quite the opposite. There needs to be proof that it’s really really worth it to A) spend the money and B) change the tech you’re already comfortable with. And that comes from reviews.

                        Speaking of which, I’m guessing the same applies to the HP U32 4K (although this one is fairly recent) and the AOC U32U1. The first announcing 98% P3 for 600€ is very questionable. The second, 98% P3 and full adobe RGB gamut for under 900€? But then there are very few good reviews.

                        Btw: funny they mention color temp issues towards the left side, as I just read a review on Amazon where the person was mentioning exactly the same. Although he mentioned it’s only noticeable with all white screen if you’re paying attention, it doesn’t bother him during work. Still kind of a red flag.

                        #66787
                        s1blyx

                          I’m also looking for similar monitors, but two of them to be precise.
                          Out of all 32″ displays, the ProArt PA329C from Asus seems the best on paper. But I’ve read tons of comments where people complain about dead and stuck pixels. So I’m kinda not 100% onboard with it.
                          The other option is to get two 27″ U2720Q from Dell.

                          Does anyone here have any experience with PA329C for UI design?

                          #66789
                          PCM2

                            Any feedback people can offer on the PA329C would be welcome. Though this forum doesn’t really have a large active user base and it’s usually frequented by people after buying advice rather than those able to give this sort of feedback. As a general point, dead pixels or stuck pixels are unfortunately reasonably common with modern monitors – and with a ‘4K’ model you’ve got ~8.3 million of them, so there’s a reasonable chance of some being defective. It’s best to expect that at least some pixels will be defective in some way; if they’re near the edge of the screen and aren’t clustered together in large groups they shouldn’t be an issue during normal usage. If they’re located more centrally or clustered together then it can be a pain. And I appreciate for design work you may be less tolerant of these sorts of things than the ‘average user’.

                            Just trying to point out that I wouldn’t demonise the PA329C for this issue, specifically. People are also more likely to complain about such issues with more expensive models such as these ~32″ ‘4K’ UHD options and can be quite vocal about such issues. Perhaps the quality control for this model is a bit below average in general, but it’s really tough to say. “Average” in the monitor market sets a pretty low benchmark I’m afraid.

                            #66920
                            Wally

                              Hi everyone,
                              I have the PA329C since yesterday. Reading this topic helped me a lot making an decision. Thanks for that.
                              Already put a Spyder4 on the screen which shows it has full Adobe RGB coverage:
                              Colourgamut PA329C

                              #66923
                              PCM2

                                I’m glad you find the thread useful and that you’re getting such a generous colour gamut. What is the coverage like with the emulation modes of the monitor (‘sRGB Mode’, ‘Adobe RGB Mode’ and ‘DCI-P3 Mode’) and does that lock off colour channel adjustments? Your feedback on the monitor is appreciated. 🙂

                                #66924
                                ruimarto

                                  Already received the BenQ PD3200U, so far feels like a solid choice (although with Spyder software I got 4 deviation in the blues, even with 0,8 average, but switching to DisplayCal solved it with maximum deviation at 0.9 and and impressive Avg 0.17).

                                  I’ve thought about sending it back since the PA329CV became available for similar price, which on paper would have the advantage of USB Type-C charging for my day job laptop and clamp to save space on my desk, more widely available brand support, better resale value around here, etc. For 100 more, it looked like a good deal.
                                  However, after using the BenQ I’ve found serious disadvantages by comparison:

                                  – The Asus has USB Hub but not KVM and only works through the Type-C port. This means that the PC connected to the Type-C port gets everything (picture, charging, USB hub, etc), all other PCs get picture only. This makes the Asus more suitable for people that have Type-C laptops as main computer, others are at disadvantage (in the sense that they will have to connect everything the traditional way: a cable for each thing and no switching the USB ports).
                                  – All USB ports, both the ones facing down and the ones facing the side, are actually on the smaller panel behind the screen. On the BenQ they’re on the lower side edge of the actual screen, making them a lot more accessible (on a 32″ screen it makes a difference for me, on the BenQ I can reach them while sitting down).

                                  Sidenote, BenQ announces the KVM but then only includes ONE USB B cable in the box. -.- One DP cable, one HDMI cable, so you can actually immediately connect two computers, but then they fail to include a second USB cable that costs 5€.

                                  #66927
                                  PCM2

                                    Glad you’re enjoying the PD3200U overall and can appreciate some of its relative advantages even as an older product than the PA329CV. For sRGB work I still maintain it’s a good choice! If you mean shade 1F (cerulean) analysed by the Spyder – don’t worry about that shade. There are often errors for that specific shade for whatever reason and this is usually always the shade with the greatest error and often the outlier. I don’t find this negatively affects the profiling performed by the Spyder or the colour accuracy you’d measure using other software (as you did with DisplayCal).

                                    It’s very rare for a manufacturer to include multiple USB cables even if KVM functionality is supported on a product so probably not fair to single out BenQ for that. 😉

                                    #66928
                                    Wally

                                      In the emulation modes the PA329C will only cover the colours within the selected gamut mode.
                                      Also some settings are locked in the emulation modes. Depends on the mode:
                                      In sRGB mode all colour setting are locked.
                                      In aRGB only ‘Color Temp.’ and ‘Gamma’ are locked.
                                      In DCI-P3 mode ‘Gamma’ is locked and in for the colour temperature you can choose between 6500K and something called P3-Theater (for people who like a green colour cast).

                                      Black level is, as expected from a edge lit IPS display, not really good. didn’t measure it, but it looks the same as my Dell U2412M (set at the same brightness).
                                      In all other aspects it is a big improvement over my old monitor.

                                      One minor setback. My graphics card only has, next to a DVI and HDMI 1.4 port, two mini-DP ports. Mini-DP cable was of course not included in the box.
                                      So until those cables are delivered I have to work with 30p.

                                      #66931
                                      kaneda

                                        Hi Wally I read that when you use the native Asus calibration soft the PA329C get some green tint……?
                                        I’m very new with this, even if you can calibrate by hardware, can you still calibrate by software and save the ICC, in the case of that Issue?
                                        How you like it so far? I was going to buy a cheaper one, but the prices keep going up, so I may get one of those.
                                        My mind have change to the Asus Pa329C, LG 32UL950-W, BenQ PD3220U, Viewsonic VP3268-4K.

                                        #66942
                                        Wally

                                          I’m new to this either.
                                          I assume it is possible. Can’t think of a reason why it shouldn’t. The Spyder 4 is not supported by the Asus calibration software, so I can’t try it.
                                          Even if I could, my calibrater is probably too old (about 8 years) to get an accurate result. Colorimeters deteriorate over time.
                                          The question is: Why do you want to make a software calibration on top of a bad hardware calibration?
                                          If the result of the hardware calibration is not good, you should not use it. If you still want to make a software calibration I would go back to one of the factory presets in the OSD menu and start the calibration proces from there. Then at least you’ve got a better starting point.
                                          Correct me if i’m wrong, but If I did understand the tutorials well, an hardware calibration is saved in of the two user modes in the OSD menu.

                                          #66944
                                          PCM2

                                            It’s always best to try to get as much right as you can via the monitor (as Wally said), so if one of the pre-calibrated modes is poorly calibrated I simply wouldn’t use it. Letting the colorimeter try to correct things if they are too unbalanced in that respect can lead to undesirable results when it comes to accuracy, gradient handling, grey neutrality etc. I’d recommend using a setting which uses the native gamut or gives you the flexibility to at least adjust colour channels – you should be able to remove any green tint with adjustments in the OSD that way. Or alternatively using the hardware calibration (via ProArt Calibration Software) as Wally described, if your colorimeter is supported.

                                            You can calibrate the monitor (technically the GPU/system) just like any other by using ICC profiles at a software level. When you use colour-aware applications, the gamut will be cut down appropriately – and gamut mapping is something that, in my experience, is handled very well even if large corrections need to be made. If the monitor can cut that down with an emulation mode and not give under-coverage or lock off settings such as colour channels then that great, that will make a nice base for calibration and give good results outside of colour-aware applications. But it’s rare that a monitor affords you such luxuries. And as Wally said, the Spyder4 (for example) is poor at calibrating wide gamut models like the PA329C as it lacks the correct spectral sensitivity and it’s going to be losing accuracy after such a long period of ownership anyway. So you’d be wanting to use a newer colorimeter than that such as the Spyder5, SpyderX or i1 DisplayPro series.

                                          Viewing 20 posts - 21 through 40 (of 47 total)
                                          • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.