[PCM2]

Yeah that will be a bit of a pain for many for desktop use who will want to ideally have >120 nits without an ABL kicking in. I suppose it would depend how aggressive the ABL is if you set the monitor to ~150 nits for example. Do you know where they got the specific data from about the ‘120 nits minimum guarantee’ as I don’t see that on the product page. I’m assuming an LG rep. Either way and as you say, it doesn’t inspire much confidence with respect to longevity that they’ve gone with such an aggressive limitation. And will presumably result in a rather limited HDR experience in terms of brightness as well.

[EsaT]

If it could do low by LCD standards 200 nits full screen, that would allow running panel under far lower stress and increase endurance greatly.
And this is at average 2560×1440 resolution pixel size.
So at 4K pixel size it would likely do still worser.

Hopefully Samsung would have 4K announcement at CES.
Though their complete radio silence isn’t that promising, because by now we would usually have “leaks” from significant new products.

And even if Samsung is buying new manufacturing equipment, it will take time to get production line ready, test and tune it and (if working) start doing early preproduction runs etc.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1669715842

[DevonCM]

it doesn’t inspire much confidence with respect to longevity that they’ve gone with such an aggressive limitation

Maybe I’m missing something, but isn’t it possible that they’ve deliberately set a lower maximum brightness to avoid burn-in issues? Rather than allow it to reach say 300 nits and have most people run it at/near max and then complain about burn-in, they could limit it to 150 and then just have some complaints about it not being bright enough.

Even though this seems like it might not be a great deal for what you get, I’m not sure I can pass on the chance to have actual contrast and no glow, blooming, or bleed…

[PCM2]

It’s impossible to answer either way at the moment. It could indeed just be a way to very effectively mitigate temporary image retention or burn-in and LG are trying to avoid that really being something people have to ‘worry about’ over a normal ownership term. But it’s a rather aggressive limitation with that in mind and almost certainly not the only mitigation measure the monitor includes. And if they’re expecting that brightness exceeding those relatively low levels would cause issues, it still opens up questions as to how ‘fragile’ the underlying technology is. Which is what EsaT was getting at with respect to endurance and I was highlighting with respect to it not being confidence-inspiring for longevity.

I still think the 27GR95QE is a very interesting and so far unique product and I don’t want any speculation (and it’s just that – speculation) here to put people off trying it out. And if people are happy with the brightness limitations and really want to give the monitor a go then I say go for it. I almost feel like something of a beta tester of QD-OLED with the AW3423DW, which I still use as my main screen when not testing out another screen. I spend most of my time on the desktop and haven’t had any issues with image retention so far. Part of the reason I want to use it longer term (aside from the fact I’m enjoying using it) is to see how it fares in that respect. 🙂

[PCM2]

ASUS will have a competitor to the 27GR95QE in the form of the PG27AQDM – https://twitter.com/pcmonitors/status/1600845250716524546. Maybe they’ll be more liberal with the brightness control? It may include a custom heatsink which would aid with this. It remains to be seen – further details to come at CES 2023 in January.

[EsaT]

Well, looks like Dough has paper announced their version of LG 27″ OLED:
https://www.oled-info.com/dough-spectrum-oled

And in other news still no news or even leaks about Acer X32 FP…
I’m starting to wonder if it even gets another paper launch in CES.

[PCM2]

Yeah, still holding my breath (and going to pass out) on the 32″ models. 😉

Some discussion on this thread on the Cooler Master Tempest GP27U has been moved over to this thread.

[EsaT]

Great, more retro 60Hz monitors:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkVision-P32pz-30-and-P27pz-30-mini-LED-monitors-introduced-with-1-200-nits-peak-brightness-1-152-local-dimming-zones-and-a-KVM-switch.675120.0.html
With zone count fitting to BOE panels:
https://tftcentral.co.uk/news/boe-latest-panel-development-plans-july-2022

Gotta wonder to whom they’re aiming these, because don’t think professionals doing photo/video editing would want any partial dimming/brightening of image:
They need to be sure that what is seen on monitor is actually what’s on the file!
And if monitor starts adjusting its backlight brightness in different areas of image that correlation breaks down instantly.

Meaning logical place for FALD is in media consumption and gaming.
So why are manufacturers so reticient in getting those 144Hz panels and monitors out…

Well, Tempest GP27U would be actually available here in Finland.
After nearly 9 nears with 30″ 16:10 that mediocre 27″ 16:9 would need moving closer to avoid image looking small with almost 7cm lower height.
But guess that would be better upgrade than no upgrade what’s with total lack of even the smallest news about Acer X32 FP.
Have to think about that.
Though CES is only couple weeks away and might as well wait couple weeks more.

[odinmarks1988]

Seems like the international release date of the Acer X32 FP have been pushing back, wonder when will it be available? Also if there will be video reviews for it

[EsaT]

Looks like Asus discarded PG32UQXE and replaced it by UQXR equipped with modern DisplayPort 2/2.1 rebrand and HDMI 2.1 ports.
https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming-monitors/rog-swift-pg32uqxr-intro/

Though with yet no pricing/availability I guess best to assume it won’t be soon.
Hopefully Acer hasn’t been sitting on their hands all this half year delay…

[PCM2]

Indeed. I also like that they say (boilerplate text on all these sorts of press releases): “For more information about the pricing and availability of the ROG Swift PG32UQXR in your region, please contact your local ROG representative.” If you do that they’ll tell you they have no further details, so it’s basically a waste of time. 😉

[EsaT]

And seems like Acer is continuing total EMCON.
If DP 1.4 Acer X32 FP with same panel doesn’t seem to be coming out any time soon, I’m not having much hopes for this Asus.

Guess Tempest GP27U is going to be the only real hope of not having to head toward 10 year celebration for Dell U3014…

[EsaT]

Well, finally something interesting shown at CES: 31″ 4K gaming OLED from TCL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK-oXPea6yg

So of course it’s just technology demo/prototype with mass production maybe 2-3 years away…
Which is propably more like 4-5 years in real time.

[PCM2]

Good to see! Also looking a few years out, Nanosys showed off a “top-secret self-emissive prototype” which is an early iteration of QDEL/NanoLED. There was suggestion of 2026 as a possible timeframe for commercialisation but I’m not sure of the original source so I’ll mark it as hearsay for now.

[PCM2]

The X32 FP is now listed on Amazon.com for ~$1350. Currently as “Temporarily out of stock”, but this is a new listing so there is definitely movement on this one!

[EsaT]

Now if there would be actually some announcement from Acer:

One Finnish shop, or Finnish site of Danish shop has had 20.1.2023 some four-five months.
Also another, actually Finnish shop, has around same date, but without any confirmed stock coming.
And expanded to also electronics webshop of telco has shown that temporarily out of stock at least since fall.

Also when Finland’s biggest telco bought biggest Finnish PC hardware site (set up by hobbyer) forum search suddenly went “temporarily” disabled for the whole 5+ years they owned the site.

So “temporary” things tend to last long.
( I’m myself in 30+th month of one month job…)

[EsaT]

Darn, CES sure seems to have been even more dead than usual for high end PC monitors…

Haven’t seen a slightest sign of life from Acer for X32 FP.
And except for that one marketing announcement, PG32UQXR might as well not exist at all in anywhere.
Sure doesn’t look good for 32″.

Though similarly nothing of ViewSonic VX2781-4K-PRO, or possibly otrher monitores using that BOE panel.

At least there’s Coolermaster Tempest GP27U, and it would be actually even available.
Just buying it sure starts feeling more and more tempting.

[PCM2]

But Samsung announced their 57″ curved uberwide Odyssey Neo G9 – what more could you possibly want? 😉

In seriousness, having observed CES for many years now I often see it as more of a platform for pointless hype than useful monitor announcements. So much of what is announced there in the monitor space never sees the light of day, or if it does it’s massively delayed. With last year’s CES teasing the PG32UQXE which never saw the light of day – or even an official product page – I find it difficult to get excited about the PG32UQXR as well. Hopefully an official product page does show up and some pricing and release information surfaces. I often refuse to share news on the website from big events like CES for announcements, unless the monitors announced are accompanied by solid spec sheets and product pages.

[PCM2]

Discussion on the Acer X32 FP (including some hands on impressions) can now be found here.

[PCM2]

According to this article, newly produced QD-OLED panels (as of December 2022) have improved AR properties. They’re less likely to take on a colourful tint or appear as significantly lightened up in brighter conditions. It’ll be interesting to see if manufacturers somehow differentiate old vs. new panels. Eventually things will move onto new panels only, but there’s going to be an awkward crossover period.

Update, September 19th 2023: It seems nothing came of this, even the “2nd generation panels” used on the 49″ QD-OLEDs offer similar screen surface characteristics and there’s no evidence of a change in that respect on those or newly produced 34″ models.

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