[PCM2]

Thanks for the update. I appreciate that’s annoying to have to go through, but I do have to point out that pixel defects aren’t uncommon with modern monitors. Annoyingly enough. When there are >11 million subpixels and with the current mass production of these panels, it’s not uncommon that some issues of that sort arise. I’m certainly aware of similar stories for pretty much any model. Though I don’t really have enough data on the G273QF/QPF specifically to say whether it’s clearly below average in that respect.

[dante21]

Is the BenQ EX2780Q a good option for the PS5?

What i want: 24 or 27 inches, 1440p, HDR 400 support, and IPS, since i want to avoid VA ghosting

Are there any other models that outperform this in terms of HDR 400 capabilities?

[PCM2]

I certainly think so, dante21, which is why it is recommended for such uses in this thread and also the dedicated recommended gaming monitors section. It’s definitely a good step up from competing VA options of a similar price when it comes to pixel responsiveness and also colour consistency. It provides a vibrant look to things overall, has pretty good contrast for the panel type and ticks the boxes you require.

There aren’t really any models that perform significantly better at the VESA DisplayHDR 400 level, but be under no illusion that’s a very basic HDR experience only. There’s some good feedback on it from PS5 user zasuhina earlier in this thread and I continue to receive positive feedback by email and via YouTube from happy PS5, Xbox Series X and PC users. So even though it’s not the newest screen on the market, it still provides a good price to performance ratio and delivers the sort of experience many people are looking for.

[dante21]

thank you for your kind reply

It seems the downscaling from 4K on these 1440p monitors doesn’t work very well on PS5. I wish they just released a firmware update to support that resolution

so i’ll either wait for that support or buy another 24″ 1080

is the Predator XB253Q comparable to the Benq in terms of pure color reproduction, HDR, etc, or am i losing much without the 10bit and 1billion color support of the Acer?

[PCM2]

The bit depth is irrelevant for game and movie content, but the colour gamut affects the representation as described in the review. The BenQ is a wide gamut monitor, whereas the Acer is standard gamut so less saturated and more ‘as the developers intend’ . At least for SDR, where sRGB is the target colour space – for HDR it is much less as the developers intend than the BenQ due to much lower DCI-P3 coverage.

I’m quite surprised Sony still haven’t offered official support for the WQHD (1440p) resolution as well. With some tweaks to sharpness (the BenQ offers good flexibility there) people often find it ‘OK’ for displaying ‘4K’ content, but it wouldn’t be as good as if it supported 1440p was natively supported as an option. And naturally, on a larger screen any imperfections are easier to spot – unless you’re sitting quite far away.

[dante21]

My fear about getting a 4K one is that how will, say, a 1600p game look on it? Will it look blurry and washed out?

Because i always choose 60fps modes in games, and those rarely output native 4K

[PCM2]

1600p?

[dante21]

Some games have dynamic resolution on consoles

1600p was a random number, but games running at 60fps never hit native 4K. Some reach 1800p, like Horizon Forbidden West

[PCM2]

For a ‘4K’ monitor it would just be running at its native resolution whilst the game scales the resolution for performance reasons. That would occur in the same way regardless of monitor resolution, if the system is running with a ‘4K’ signal anyway. I don’t see why that would be represented more poorly on a ‘4K’ UHD screen. In fact as it edges closer to 2160p, if anything, you should see improved clarity compared to on a lower resolution screen.

[dante21]

one last question (don’t want to bother you with this too much) mod edit: this is why you should never use the phrase “one last question”, because we both know it never is. 😉

what would you do, personally?

-stick to 1080p at 24″
-1440p and downscale the 4K signal, 27″
-4k, 27″

this, again, for someone who never plays at 30fps or 120/144. Only 60

[PCM2]

Since you only play at 60fps, you’re naturally focused more on the image quality side. I would forget about HDR entirely (unless you’ve got a large budget) as well as high refresh rate and simply go for one of the recommended 60Hz ‘4K’ UHD options or something similar. Or if you were really keen to try HDR even if basic, just to give things a different look, the Dell S2722QC would be worth considering. The only real reason I’d see for going for something like the EX2780Q instead in your case (and this could still be valid) would be because you like the even more vibrant colour output which the wider gamut would provide.

[dante21]

that’s exactly what i want, a vibrant, rich and deep presentation to the colors, especially if HDR 400 adds even more to that

it won’t be used to any kind of content creation or something like that, so accuracy is not very important to me

i’ve been using a Samsung 24″, 1080p VA panel for the last 5 years. I like the darker….well…darks, but the ghosting effect sometimes is too much

i’m almost set on the EX2780Q, but before i make a decision, i’m looking a various options

these are the ones i have on my shortlist:

BenQ EX2780Q (280€)
Gigabyte M27Q (350€)
Acer XB253Q GP (265€)

[PCM2]

Given the price and what you’re after, I feel the EX2780Q would be the best bet really. The M27Q is certainly worth considering (as you are) and it has an edge in pixel responsiveness compared to the BenQ. But I feel the lack of Dynamic Contrast under HDR, given what you’re used to, could be a bit of a system shock for you with the Gigabyte. And make you feel like using it under SDR as much as possible. With the BenQ the HDR is in my view a bit better in terms of depth in darker scenes thanks to the use of Dynamic Contrast. As covered in the review it doesn’t work wonders and is no substitute for good local dimming, but it still helps a bit in terms of maintaining better depth and atmosphere for some scenes. And the pixel responsiveness will be such a step up from what you’re used to, anyway.

[dante21]

PS5 now supports VRR…for HDMI 2.1 compatible devices. The firmware update rolled out yesterday

Between this and the lack of official 1440p support, it’s baffling how little they care about monitor users in general

I know they want to sell their big TVs, but still.

[dante21]

“The bit depth is irrelevant for game and movie content”

Was thinking about what you said here

Wouldn’t 10bit be better to reduce color banding? For example, when you look at the sky in a game, and you notice the different shades of blue, when one starts and the other ends

Also, how important is it to have 16.7 million colors vs 1 billion?

[PCM2]

No, because games and movies under SDR are created or mastered in 8-bit (16.7 million colours), so a higher bit depth isn’t used. For HDR10 you gain 10-bit capability (1.07 billion colours) bringing with it the sort of advantages summarised in this article. But even if the monitor itself is unable to display that the GPU or graphics hardware applies a dithering is used to fill in the gaps. As we explain on monitors which do this (example), it works extremely effectively and looks essentially identical to if the monitor is handling the 10-bit signal itself. The

[dante21]

https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/gigabyte-m27q/

That means this monitor could display 1 billion colors? But reading that side note, looks like it wouldn’t work when feeding it a 4K signal, since it’s not its native resolution.

And even if it was at 1440p, how would it work on a gaming console?

[PCM2]

To be completely clear, you have no use for a 10-bit signal (1.07 billion colours) outside of content creation on the PC (or similar system) using a specific 10-bit capable workflow. That’s what “facilitate work with higher bit depth content” means. An 8-bit signal would be used on a games console via SDR and via HDR it would depend on the resolution, but as above 10-bit processing is always used regardless and works in the same way. You’re interested in vibrancy, by the way, which is dictated by the colour gamut.

[dante21]

You were right about the Dell making more sense for me

I won’t be using 144hz and having HDR 400 is pointless

So, the S2722QC is the sucessor of the S2721QS, and aside for the lack of the USB ports, they’re almost identical acording to Rtings, but the previous model is 100€ cheaper

But there seems to be a common issue with that model: https://www.reddit.com/user/eliko2/comments/nzp7ax/s2721qs_blurry_edges/

Seen this reported a few times, and looks like a design flaw. Are you aware of any of this? Worth paying the extra 100 bucks to avoid this?

[PCM2]

That seems to be the same thing as the ‘shadowy border’ issue highlighted in our S2722QC review – read through the relevant paragraph in the ‘Features and aesthetics’ section. As noted there, I don’t see this as something to worry about unless you commonly view the monitor off-angle or sit quite close (perhaps <60cm and even then it's subjective). The addition of USB-C is really the main change as far as I can see with the newer 'QC' model. It may have a slightly revised version of the same panel which appears marginally more responsive (or it could just be better-tuned), but I think you'd find them characteristically very similar. If you have no interest in HDR or USB-C, the Philips 288E2A/UAE/E2E is also worth considering, with the two models compared in the conclusion of the Dell review. I’d also add that the ‘shadowy border’ is less of a potential issue on the Philips as it has a shallower perceived inset:

“The Dell offers USB-C support, superior ergonomics, a better brightness adjustment range and basic HDR support. It has the more solid stand of the two and some may prefer the styling – though that is always going to remain subjective. The Philips we tested offered better gamma calibration with adjustable gamma settings, better pixel response time tuning (though not a huge difference there) and is the cheaper offering. Ultimately, most people in the market for this sort of model would be perfectly happy with either offering.”

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