[PCM2]

Very difficult to work out from the bad translation indeed. The line about smearing was actually listed as a benefit and there wasn’t anything about that specifically in the review. So I don’t know what exactly he was referring to, but I don’t think it was that (as a negative).

[Malinkadink]

So i just found the page for the GW2470H at $159.00 and free shipping and tax free shipping to NJ for me. At that price i think its priced very aggressively.

The response time in the specs is listed as 16ms which is just borderline okay for 60hz, but i don’t know how accurate that figure is. Sure enough with it being VA it will have some of those slower transitions, but otherwise i expect it to be an improvement even if only slightly over previous models. Also for the panel i’m not sure what SNB is supposed to mean after AMVA+.

I believe this is the panel it is using http://www.panelook.com/M238HVN01.0_AUO_23.8_LCM_overview_24330.html

Which is most likely the same as the BL2420Z which the US wont see unfortunately. However at panelook the response time average is said to be 12ms when combining both rise and fall times for each frame. I’ll most likely be ordering one when it becomes available and testing it out, hopefully the coating is semi glossy or really close to it. Will also test it’s performance with my colormunki display.

[PCM2]

That is indeed excellent pricing, but please respect the rules in future. It’s also listed with a placeholder on Amazon, which has an excellent returns policy, offers free shipping and helps support the website.

It is using that panel, as stated on the news article. But as I say time and time again, specified response times are useless. I would love to hear your own thoughts on it though, that would be much more valuable! 😉

[Subzero11]

This is kinda off topic, but here goes.

Ever since I upgraded to a 27″ @1080p monitor, I’m playing worse at online/FPS and my eyesight seems that it has gotten worse.

I’m 40 years of age and especially within the last year I feel my eye sight has gotten worse. When I read something like writing on the back of a bottle or pretty much anything I have to move it further back from my eyes so I can focus on the writing.

About a year ago I upgraded to a 27″ @1080p monitor and it sits like at 2 feet away/arms length. I’ve always had my monitor at that length but never a 27″ of this size though.
Now I doubt my eyesight has worsen cause I got a 27″ at arms length away and I’m on the PC probably like close to 30-40 hours a week.

But I’ve noticed that my gaming especially fps online I’ve been playing worse I don’t think I’m as good as I was not to long ago.

I do find that just after a few hours like maybe 3-4 hours I get a small headaches and my eyes seems a dry and strained a bit. My eyes sometimes twitch. I used to be able to use/play my PC 8-10 hours long I can’t anymore.

I’ve already reduced the brightness maybe I need to reduce it more. Seems like a odd coincidence but my problems general seemed noticeable when started when I got my 27″ 1080p monitor like a year ago, it’s the GW2760HS.

This maybe a dumb comparison but when I play my PS3 which is rare and the 32″ TV from my PS3 is like 5 feet away I don’t seem to have any problems.

It would would be easy to just move the monitor back but my desk is currently too small. But I could rig something up just for the sake of finding a solution to my problem. I could mount it temporarily just to see.

What are the first things I should try, move the monitor back 6 inches and would that be enough ? should I just go back to a 23-24″ monitor ?

Thanks

[PCM2]

It sounds like you’re suffering from presbyopia, which is the normal long-sightedness associated with aging eyes. Do you have reading glasses (or similar) which compensate for this? If you’d prefer not to have to wear them when using the computer or whatever, I understand. You should find that moving the monitor back further would help, assuming you don’t have issues with your middle or distance vision.

[Subzero11]

k, thanks

[Subzero11]

UPDATE:

I went to the eye doctor today and said I have presbyopia and it’s quite common, I’m also in a very early stage of it and she said that in her op that I probably should wait and see, but if it gets worse then get glasses then. I also asked about having a bigger monitor and being too close to it she said it does not matter, these things will only cause my eyes being dry or strained but that’s all. Presbyopia is just caused by age and not being to close to the monitor and whatever size it is.

Anyway that does not mean I can’t reduce eyestrain though which is diff from presbyopia, I’ve reduced the brightness to 30 yesterday. Feeling my eyes getting dry or strained can still be reduced/fixed I believe by adjusting the monitor settings and backing it up further which I’ve not done yet.

I do find though being at arms length away from my 27″ monitor when playing online fps that my eyes look from side to side and up and down. If I move to monitor back some do you think I won’t have to sweep my eyes around as much ? I feel that my response level has lagged maybe since upgrading to a bigger monitor. Is this why may the MLG association official monitors are 23-24″ ?

[PCM2]

As expected. Good to hear you have a plan of action now though!

Yes, smaller monitors engage less of the peripheral vision and you can see more of the action in your main visual field instead. So from a competitive point of view they can give an advantage. But again, it all depends how close you’re sitting to the screen.

[Subzero11]

UPDATE:

I got a new monitor the new Samsung S24E390HL it’s a 24″ and I find it the perfect size, this replaces the 27″ I had before. I know now that 24″ is as big as I want and comfortable with at arms length, yes I could have placed 27″ back further but it was not a option for me, I like my monitors to be no more than arms length. It was kinda of a costly lesson learned and thought bigger is always better but it’s not true for me at least, my online fps skills are back up to where I think they should be, my eyes are no longer sweeping around the screen as much.

I actually don’t mind the stand at all, it’s sturdy and the blue barely shows at all in a regular lit room the bezel looks all black.

By the way I find the default settings out of the box great. I reduced the brightness to 50 for now and changed the HDMI black level to normal, but I have not touched anything else. By the way what was your preferred brightness setting for the monitor for all around usage ? In the video you had it set at 20 but in the review under test settings it was 65.

Also I assume that factory sharpness at 60 is the neutral point without any artificial increase or decrease of sharpness correct ? Also the setting “Samsung Magic upscale” setting is totally a artificial setting correct ? Kinda just want a raw unfiltered signal as much as possible.

Thanks

[ufoman]

Subzero11,
yes, from my experience with Samsung monitors, 60 is the neutral sharpness level. Also, any feature with “Magic” in in alters the displayed image in not necessarily desirable ways.

[Subzero11]

Well stop the presses: I’ve done some further testing and tried playing a different Metro 2033 redux where there are lots of dark scenes and I was a little shocked.

I think I have a PLS Glow problem in the upper right corner only about the size of my fist almost. The color is hard to describe it’s kinda silverish-goldish-greenish color. So is that PLS glow ? and in that a size is that normal or abnormal ? Also in general in dark area even without taking the glow in account I don’t see as well in the dark like on my other monitor. Black just isn’t as black and I can’t see that well or as well.

My second choice was the U2414H but even if it does not have the IPS glow the black just won’t be good enough I believe.

[PCM2]

Observe that spot, keeping your head central with respect to the monitor. Move back from the monitor. Does it disappear?

[Subzero11]

I’m at work, but tell me now please so if I move back while keeping my head central to the monitor and if the spot disappears it means it’s an IPS glow spot ? about how far back do I have to move though and if at that distance it’s still there does that mean it’s back light bleed then ? Thanks

[PCM2]

If you move back a few meters (180cm will be enough) and keep your head central, that gets rid of any PLS glow. Uniformity issues that remain are not going to be related to glow, but likely bleed or clouding. You also noted seeing this issue in the upper right corner. Unless you’re observing the screen from below, that’s very unlikely to be glow!

[Subzero11]

OK let’s say it is backlight bleed is that a normal amount being about the size of my fist in the upper right corner is it worth returning it for another one in your opinion ?

[PCM2]

Yes, it’s fairly normal. And again one area where VA models tend to be stronger and more consistent. Some units will suffer more and some less than what yours does, so really it’s up to you whether it annoys you enough during normal use to get it replaced.

[Subzero11]

I returned the monitor, even though it seemed like my problem was backlight bleed. But anyway in dark scenes the quality of blacks was not acceptable I’m now a firm believer that it’s VA or nothing for me. I don’t see how IPS can be so popular.

Question I hooked back up my GW2760HS but instead of using a the DVI I used before I’m using a HDMI cable. Am I crazy or but it seems like since I switched to a HDMI cable I needed to readjust some of the settings. The picture seemed a little diff with HDMI and yes the PC and the monitor is using the full (0-255) range. Thanks

[PCM2]

The signal was no different on the unit I tested, but on some monitors the image characteristics can be slightly different on HDMI and DVI. Have you tried using both cables recently and seeing the possible difference for yourself?

[Malinkadink]

Still waiting on that GW2470H to become available, I don’t have much hope on the BL2420Z coming to US though even though i would prefer it for its adjust-ability and extra inputs. What’s interesting is that the BL2420Z is marketed as a business solutions monitor and the GW2470H is marketed towards entertainment. Really don’t think that holds much relevance in the performance differences between the two models, they’re the same panel so they’ll most likely perform similarly. Scalers may be different however, and i really hope the overdrive will work well with these new models.

Out of curiousty what do you think i’d be able to overclock the GW2470H to? I’d be content with 72hz for smoother movie playback, but anything higher would be nice for pc gaming and when not using a console. The GW2470H only has two hdmi inputs, meanwhile the BL2420Z has VGA, DVI, and DP, would there be any overclocking constraints/limitations over HDMI vs DVI/DP?

Also one interesting thing i noticed on BenQs european site is the BL2420Z specs list a response time of 12ms, 7ms(GtG), meanwhile the GW2470H is 12ms, 4ms (GtG), so not sure what to make of that.

[PCM2]

The ‘BL’ series is usually differentiated from the ‘GW’ and ‘EW’ range with the greater range of inputs, greater ergnomic flexibility and different OSD features. The core performance is not usually worse for something like gaming. I have also noticed that BenQ seems to quote very optimistic and misleading figures for both, but more so on the ‘GW’ than ‘BL’ models (due to the core market being sucked in by such figures). But how they perform in practice is anybody’s guess and it is possible a different overdrive implementation is used.

I would hope to see the monitor reach 75Hz comfortably, as other similar models have done. But with an entirely new panel it’s difficult to say. The overclockability is actually generally best over HDMI, so I wouldn’t expect that to hold it back really. I know DP has more bandwidth, but it is also sometimes more picky about going ‘out of supported range’ with frequencies based on the monitor itself.

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