[Subzero11]

Nice review for the S24E390HL, thanks, I think I may pull the trigger on it. I like that the stand looks studier than last years model. By the way how does matte screen compare to the P2414H ? I had a chance to play around with the P2414H and found it thicker compared to my GW2760HS. How does S24E390HL compare to my GW2760HS lighter or heaver ?

I’m still not sure about S24E310HL I kinda want to buy it also but not sure I want to waste the time and trouble. It’s odd that Benq can make a VA panel like the GW2760HS with a GTG of 4.6ms but at the high setting of AMA but samsung makes a 24″ with 8ms only. Do you think in your op that the S24E310HL GTG 8ms is using the normal or faster or fastest setting ?

Also whats important to me is the overclocking capabilities, I like the S24E310HL 75hz right out of the box. Would it be correct to assume that VA panels typically on a average are not good overclockers out of the box as good as IPS panels in your op ? Thanks

[PCM2]

As explained in my previous post you can safely ignore specified response times. I do agree it’s a bit odd for Samsung to quote 8ms on their S24E310HL as they’re usually happy to give overly optimistic figures. Maybe they just fancied a change, or maybe that model does just have rather weak grey to grey acceleration.

Glad you liked the review of the S24E390HL. It is noted in the review that the screen surface is lighter than on ‘comparable AH-IPS models’, which includes the P2414H. Subjective impressions are given throughout, as they are on those reviews. The GW2760HS has a lighter screen surface, although in terms of ‘graininess’ I wouldn’t say everybody would notice a difference. Again it’s very subjective. There will be people who find the AH-IPS models too grainy but like the Samsung, but there will be others who may find even the Samsung a bit on the grainy side. It’s very subjective.

As for ‘overclockability’, panel type doesn’t really matter for mild overclocks. I’ve driven plenty of VA panels to ~75Hz (including the GW2760HS and S27C750P) without ‘issue’. But the generally slower pixel responses means that the benefit to motion blur can be somewhat questionable. Although you can still ‘feel’ the advantage of the increased refresh rate, you can’t really escape some of those slower transitions if they’re bothersome to you.

[Subzero11]

So I went to BB after work and looked at the S24E390HL and I’m sure the it’s a great monitor with a great PQ but dam the stand just looks dorky Star Trek like to me also I’m not crazy about the border it being glossy and not flat like the screen it self, also not crazy about the blue color I prefer black only.

If the GW2470H was out right not I’d buy it in a heart beat. It looks great and simple nothing flashy. I’m going to wait a bit and see what happens. Do you think if I call Benq customer services or maybe even the sales department if that is even possible to do that they would be able to give me a approx date for the USA release ?

Until then do you remember me telling you that I find my GW2760HS is to big and the PPI seems to low and I set at arms length about two feet from the monitor ? On a average and I know everybody is different but in general is two feet considered a little too close to a 27″ 1080p monitor for most people ? If you were using 27″ 1080p monitor close would you be to it ? Thanks

[PCM2]

Yup, it’s worth a shot asking if BenQ have any information about a US release date for the monitor. They probably won’t, but they just might. I tend to sit around 70cm (~2.3ft) from 27″ monitors, sometimes a little closer if the stand is deep and I can’t push it far enough back on the desk. So I feel anything around 2-3ft which you’re on the lower end of is a perfectly reasonable sitting distance for such a monitor.

[Subzero11]

Well I emailed Benq about a release date for USA about the new GW2470H. I copied and pasted the email response below.

Quote:

JUL 31, 2015 | 01:46PM CDT
Will replied:

hmmmm, i am not aware of this model even being released in the states. If it will be released, it will probably happen next year since no one has heard about it, at least here in the North American Division.

if there are further updates on the ETA, i will let you know.

Thanks!

[Subzero11]

I was thinking about getting the new Samsung S24E310HL. But theirs no reviews for it yet and if I get it how do I know if it’s any good, I may think it’s good but it may end up months or a year later that it wasn’t a good monitor then that would bother me a lot. For years now when it comes to PC stuff if I can’t read reviews for whatever I’m buying then I don’t buy.

I may still get a S24E390HL and see how it does. I would buy the U2414H in a second but I found the AG on the P2414 kinda thick and turned me off, that’s the only thing about the monitor I dislike, is it crazy I that I won’t buy it cause of the AG on it ? Whats odd is that in reviews it’s considered a light AG which in my op it’s like medium AG and I’ve read others say the same thing. My GW2760HS should be considered light AG.

[Malinkadink]

You mind contacting BenQ again about the BL2420Z? If sounds like the GW2470H is not gonna be coming to NA, or at least not anytime soon. I’m more interested in the BL2420Z because of the fully adjustable stand and more ports, would be able to hook it up to a PC via displayport, and then use a dvi to hdmi for a game console.

[PCM2]

That’s not a surprise on the GW2470H as it has only just appeared on their generic global product information channel. Same with the BL2420Z, so you guys are likely going to have to be patient. There is no guarantee that they will be launched in the US, I’d hope to see at least one of them launched there. Not necessarily until Q4, however.

As I’ve said quite clearly the anti-glare surface of the Dell models is stronger than on the Samsung, but both are stronger than any of these VA models with so-called ‘semi-glossy’ surfaces. You can’t rely on people defining the anti-glare surface as ‘light’ or ‘heavy’ or somewhere in between as there is no set criteria for that – it’s entirely open to interpretation. The surface of the P2414H in my review was referred to as relatively light due to its improvement upon older IPS models.

And I really don’t think you should be put off trying the S24E310HL. If you like it then that’s great, job done. That isn’t a model that is going to be on the radar of most of the useless mainstream reviewers and I would never give a review so unbalanced that you’d think to yourself that it is an awful monitor and regret your purchase (even if you yourself like it). I very much doubt it is an awful monitor, Samsung haven’t produced such a being for a very long time.

Plus you’d be supporting the website in two ways if you buy from our preferred retailer as I’m eager to hear some user opinion on that model as well.

[Subzero11]

Quote: from PCM2

“As I’ve said quite clearly the anti-glare surface of the Dell models is stronger than on the Samsung, but both are stronger than any of these VA models with so-called ‘semi-glossy’ surfaces.”

Well I didn’t ask about a comparison of the AG coating of the DELL and the Samsung, I already knew that.

I was just saying that the P2414 AG in my op is medium and I’ve read many others say this too. Yes it’s *lighter* than previous DELL models but it’s not in no way should be considered a light AG coating. My GW2760HS and the S24E390HL are have light AG. Oh also none of these monitors I’ve talked about in my previous post should not be referred as semi-gloss, I have a 32″ HDTV and it’s a semi-gloss and in no way these monitors semi-gloss. Yes I know entirely open to interpretation but many share the same thoughts.

[PCM2]

You’ve grouped together the GW2760HS and S24E390HL as ‘light’ which is misleading really as the haze value and surface texture is quite different. Refer to the reviews. And ‘semi glossy’ is indeed a stupid term and why in reviews I now refer to it with the phrase ‘some people may call’. Any screen surface that has a lower haze value than is typical can be considered as such. TVs and monitors with a haze value of <4% are best described as glossy, since they give a very comparable experience to a glossy surface with anti-reflective treatment. It is a different method of achieving the same thing.

[Subzero11]

I missed spoke, I would consider the GW2760HS as a light AG and the S24E390HL in between the GW2760HS and P2414. Also yes the term ‘semi glossy’ is a stupid term should not even be mentioned among the monitors I’ve mentioned in my posts.

I’ve decided I’m keeping the GW2760HS and it would be a mistake replacing it. So if that’s the case I want to calibrate it to my liking. I’m having a little difficulty adjusting my settings on my GW2760HS to my liking. I initially set it up trying profiles and also tried your settings you used in the review which are:

Brightness= 25 (according to preferences and lighting)
Contrast= 50
Gamma= 3
Color Temperature= User Define
Red= 99
Green= 100
Blue= 95

The monitor looks good and I’m sure to most people it would be fine, but I like a certain look to my colors. Before I starting putting hours into settings and testing. I’ll tell you what is still nagging me. Even with the above settings I find the colors washed out a bit. I see this when I play BF3/Metro Redux 2033 and it is worse with BF:BC2 I find the diff colors in the terrain seem too bland maybe even blend to easily together with one and other and not popping out enough. I like rich vibrant colors probably some would find unnatural.

So I’m using the settings above except brightness is set at 40 and contrast set at 55 and I’m using a DVI cable with the latest Nvidia drivers. Also in the Nvidia control panel then under the “Adjust Desktop Color Settings” I set the digital vibrance to 80%, yes you read that right 80%. By the way I’m not using any other settings in the control panel, I was told never to use the contrast or brightness settings in the panel and always use the settings within the monitor. I’m not sure anymore which combination I should adjusting, where would you start ? Thanks

[PCM2]

It sounds like you like highly oversaturated colours. Before turning to the heinuous sin that is Digital Vibrance, I’d recommend adopting a higher gamma mode such as ‘5’. This adds depth and saturation to many shades without killing the shade range. And you would probably prefer some of the other presets like ‘Game’ mode, although I forget how that looks on the GW2760HS specifically. You can also alter saturation via the OSD in some presets, although this will achieve the same thing in the end as Digital Vibrance but will stick universally and can be easily adjusted in-game.

[Subzero11]

Digital Vibrance is a must, I tried Gamma 5 within the monitors setting and it’s crushing the blacks. I set it to 4 instead of the original default 3. It looks better now. If I set the contrast above 55 I start to lose detail.

[PCM2]

So you mind crushed blacks but you’re happy to crush shades at the higher end? 😉

Don’t worry I understand. Everyone has their own preferences and if Gamma 4 + Digital Vibrance works well for you then that’s great. 🙂

[Subzero11]

Well I got other response back from Benq about BL2420Z coming to the USA.

This is my original question asking:

“Last question what about the BL2420Z do you have any info on this new model coming to the USA soon ? Thanks”

This email is what I got today:

AUG 03, 2015 | 05:17PM CDT
Will replied:

hi there,

I just got info that we will not be bringing this product to the us, unfortunately.

Thanks!

[Malinkadink]

Wow that is incredibly disappointing if true, there are really no recent 24″ VA monitor’s that are good all rounders. There is the samsung S24E310HL which is available, but there’s no details on whether its 6bit + FRC or 8 bit, my guess is it’s probably the former. Samsung is selling it directly from their U.S. site for $180, which is pretty much in line with what the monitor is offering.

However, i would like the BL2420Z way more for the extra inputs, adjustable stand, and just overall better aesthetics and wouldn’t mind paying as much as $250 for it, if its a solid VA panel that can do at least 95% sRGB coverage when calibrated, and a semi glossy coating to top it off.

[PCM2]

That is a shame, although not entirely unexpected. They never released the BL2411PT (or BL2410PT ‘officially’) in the US either. I have a strange feeling the S24E310HL could be using an Innolux panel, simply because I don’t know of any flat 23.6″ VAs from Samsung. They’re generally quite secrative about their own panels at the moment though, so they could be using an ‘in-house’ one.

[Subzero11]

So is a Innolux panel any good ?

Well at least we maybe getting the GW2470H 24″ VA according to the first email response I got from them, which was the one I was interested.

[PCM2]

It isn’t necessarily good or bad, it really depends on the exact panel used and the monitor. But I only really mentioned it as all of their 23.6″ VA panels are 8-bit. I do wonder about responsiveness, though, as the last monitor I tested with an Innolux (formerly CMO) VA panel had very poor responsiveness.

[Malinkadink]

http://post.smzdm.com/p/299550/
review of the monitor, not super in depth, but shows pictures of it and the menu settings. The translation is pretty bad, but at the bottom pros/cons the user claims its not very good for games and smears. Still would be nice to see a more in depth review from tft or pcm of course if, and when it becomes available outside of Asia.

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