[bikey420]

ahhh arms length, currently im playing on my 24inch monitor sat about 2 feet away. Im guessing it shouldnt be such an issue for me then eh? 😀

I was looking to get a 27inch so that I can still sit the same length away but have a bigger screen to look at. the screen is now back in stock at amazon so I will take the plunge and buy it. If i dont like it i can always return it. Hopefully the PWM-freeness of it will be a big improvement from my current monitor.

By the way, with this “black friday” thing coming up, is that generally a big thing in the uk? does everything get reduced in price or am i confusing it with the american version?

also i hate to say this, but your link to amazon for the ew2750zl links to the ew2740l, at least thats how it comes up for me

[PCM2]

I don’t know what Amazon have done. We do link to the EW2750ZL – check the title in the address bar and the images. They seem to have created some hybrid mashup between the EW2740L and EW2750ZL pages. I will inform them of this.

But you’re right, you can of course return the monitor easily if the size doesn’t suit you. Black Friday is certainly bigger in America, although retailers do make a bit of a thing about it here now. For monitors it’s generally ‘Cyber Monday’ where some decent deals can be had, but very rarely are they for models like this. It’s usually for more expensive models and the deals we get here are usually nothing to write home about. At least compared to in the US.

[bikey420]

yeah i looked on the price graphs and you are right in that many offers are not actually that great. If they get back to you with the issue about the linking being fixed please do let me know so i can quickly purchase one via my friends amazon prime account 😀

[PCM2]

The listing has been fixed now.

[Subzero11]

Sorry if this sounds like dumb question soon I’m going to ordering the Benq GW2470H and was wondering if I can just use the same power cord that I’m currently using for my Benq GW2760HS for the new Benq GW2470H, are the cords interchangeable ? I’m asking cause the power cord I’m using now with the monitor is zipped tied and nicely tucked away. Thanks

[PCM2]

Yes. They both have internal power converters so can use the same cable connected to their AC input.

[motsm]

I posted earlier about buying an EW2750ZL to replace my CRT, but I ended up returning it. The motion smearing was rather bad, the contrast was barely acceptable, and it’s PPI was too low. I did try out a GW2470H as well, and the dot pitch was OK, but motion clarity was worse than the 2750 and I wasn’t thrilled about the size either. So I’m back to my CRT and waiting for an upgrade to come out. I’ll be scanning the homepage, PCM2.

[Subzero11]

I’ve played on the GW2470H and it looks great, perfect size not to big not to small. I think it’s the best bang for your buck in my opinion.

[PCM2]

Highlighting beautifully how subjective monitors are! 🙂

I’d just love to provide a headline like: “Samsung S24F850D OLED monitor shown off at CES”, but I guess you’ll have to wait a bit longer for that sort of thing, motsm. Well, we all will. 😉

[mclebron23]

Hey PCM. OLED monitors are coming to CES in january. google it. Im pumped!

[PCM2]

I’m well aware of the speculation on that one. I’m the last person you have to tell to ‘Google’ something like that. There has not been any solid confirmation on that by LG, so if I were you I’d stop ‘getting pumped’ until there is something more solid to go on. From my discussions with AMD about their upcoming HDR technology and the displays that may feature it, I do still hope we will see something quite tasty at CES. But it’s better to set your expectations low and get a nice surprise than end up disappointed, isn’t it?

[mclebron23]

True. Hope for the best.

[PCM2]

I have all of my fingers crossed. I’ve been waiting and waiting and would love to see the technology finally make its way into monitors. 🙂

[Pyoro]

Hi again,
I’m back to decide finally which monitor to buy. In the two months that have passed since I returned the iiyama XB2483HSU, I’ve found that I’ve pushed so much maths into my head that I hardly have a clue what I was talking about when I was discussing monitors :P. At least, I think I’ve figured out what’s most important.

For starters, you were right in your prediction that I would prefer a VA monitor. I managed to test the P2414H again a few times, even in darkness, and found the glow quite annoying and dark colours getting washed out as a result. I think I’ll stick with a VA.

It seems to me that my options are now to try the iiyama again or get the new BenQ GW2470H (or the BL2420Z… is there anything else that’s new and worth considering among 24″ VAs?) What do you think, bearing in mind I’m willing to risk it one more time with quality control? I don’t have much information on either of the BenQs.

I was mostly happy with the iiyama. I found the black crush most concerning as it didn’t seem that I had much control over gamma modes to rectify it (but then, I didn’t experiment with the non–custom colour presets, though I remember some were well-reviewed by overclockers.ru). Colours seemed good, with vibrancy and contrast, and not much noticeable haze outside of office use. Though something about the monitor wore my eyes out on reasonably high contrast in dark conditions, sometimes.

Do you also know how they compare in terms of responsiveness? I didn’t get around to testing the iiyama in this regard so VA gaming is rather unknown territory for me. But I play games very occasionally, and not particularly competitively.

Thanks for the help, as always. I’ll be glad to settle this once and for all so I can get back to pushing maths into my head. I hope you got to keep the affiliate donation when I returned my iiyama!

[PCM2]

At least you have confirmed in your mind that VA is the way to go, for you. I’m not sure how useful this will be to you, the user feedback I’ve received on the GW2470H and BL2420Z suggests that image quality is similar to the EW2750ZL (which is good), but responsiveness is not quite as good. It is therefore not a strong point of those models but could still be adequate for your needs.

[Pyoro]

Fair enough. I’ll tell you what; the GW2470H is going surprisingly cheaply these days, and I’m curious to try it out to compare it with the iiyama, so I’ll give it a shot for the next month or so. It seems strange to test a monitor for which I can’t find a single in-depth review online (reading the translated Korean one rather hurt my head) comparing it to competitors or its settings to each other, but I think such details aren’t so helpful to me as I can never work out how to calibrate the monitor to get the most out of it.

On that note, how would you recommend that I calibrate a monitor without a physical calibration tool or any recommended settings?

EDIT: Also, I keep forgetting to mention, the iiyama XB2483HSU will not accept an overclock beyond 66Hz over DVI, and I couldn’t test it over HDMI because CCC and/or CRU wouldn’t comply with my requests to set the refresh rate to 72Hz.

[Xavier]

Pyoro did you patch the drivers to remove the pixel clock limit and also tried with reduced timings? My VA Benq GW2265 can overclock to 80-81hz.

[PCM2]

There’s only so much you can do to calibrate a monitor ‘by eye’, Pyoro. The key aspect to get right to ensure comfortable and enjoyable viewing is the brightness. This isn’t so crucial for ‘accurate colour reproduction’, but more about viewing comfort. There isn’t an exact value I could give that
would be perfect for you as it depends on the lighting in the environment in which you work (which may of course vary) and your own preferences. What I’d generally recommend, though, is to set the brightness whilst the display is showing lots of white, for example with a document open. I would also start low and work your way up rather than doing things the other way around, as otherwise you will probably think the display is too dim when you lower the brightness but it wont’ be once your eyes adjust to it.

When it comes to colour channel adjustments, the exact adjustments depend on your lighting environment and preferences – and will also vary between individual units. I would recommend observing pure white to see if any obvious tints are apparent using the factory defaults for the colour channels. I also find it helpful to look at greys to see if any obvious tints are becoming apparent which could indicate poor colour balance. The checkerboard patterns here can help you to assess that and perhaps the squares here too. This is of course much easier to balance out using a colorimeter, but possible to at least improve on without. I’d advise small adjustments to the colour channels (no more than 10 points per channel) and they may not even be required. As with brightness your eyes will adapt to changes made here, so it’s usually best to give your eyes 15 minutes or so to adjust after making any moderate changes (say 5 points or more).

There is likely no need to make further adjustments really. The contrast should be set optimally, but you can verify this by observing the aforementioned Lagom pages whilst making small changes here. See if some of the blocks quickly become more (or less) visible after contrast adjustments. There’s no need to try to adjust the contrast significantly even if some of the blocks become visible after doing so – you’ll be harming the image in other ways if you make big changes there.

The tolerances to overclocking vary not just by panel but also the specific monitor. Trying reduced timings can be worthwhile, as Xavier suggested, but it could simply be that the monitor has a hardwired restriction of +10% for the refresh rate at Full HD. Some models do and can’t be pushed further at the native resolution regardless of what you do.

[Azreil24]

Hello. I recently sent my old ASUS MX279H to my little brother, and now I’m in search of a new monitor. I was looking for a VA panel monitor and went with a Benq EW2440L, but got one with a dead pixel and some bleeding problems. Though I like the great color reproduction of a IPS panel, I really like de deep blacks and slightly better response of a VA panel.

I was swinging from the Benq EW2750ZL and the AOC Q2577PWQ. The AOC costs 80 dollars more and is a 1440p. Don’t know if it’s worth leaving those deep blacks and OC ability of the Benq for the higher DPI and better collors, but worse blacks.

A little advice would be helpful and apreciated.

Thank you!

[PCM2]

Hi Azreail24,

I don’t really have much to add to what I’ve already said on this thread, which I’ve merged yours with. It’s such a subjective thing (IPS-type panels vs. VA) that it’s a decision that you’ll have to make for yourself. You’re in a good position to do this given that you’ve seen both an IPS and VA panel yourself. Ignoring the issues with backlight bleed, as they can affect any model (although are less likely to affect VA models) you have to think about which experience you preferred overall.

The AOC Q2577PWQ has an obvious advantage when it comes to resolution and pixel density as well. How useful this will be or ‘how much it’s worth to you’, if you prefer, really depends on your uses for the screen. The same can be said for the stronger contrast – your preferences and usage will dictate the best choice for you.

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