[PCM2]

Yes, the P2414H is a suitable alternative if you prefer the looks. It’s a very solid monitor.

[DimiNos]

On a second look i will go with the U2414H 😛
Thanks for all your help

[KDE]

Hello PCM2,

you mentioned text on VA has some 3D effect. Is it related to subpixels divided to 8 parts(domains)?
Does it happen with both antialiased and non-antialiased?
Does it happen when text is displayed with complete subpixels when subpixels have value 0 or 255,
e.g. non-antialiased white text on black background?
Does sharpness setting have any influence?
Is there any photo of that 3D effect?
Thanks

[PCM2]

The ‘3D effect’ is related to the way in which pixels (and indeed subpixels) are aligned, and the operating principle of the VA panel. They tilt in a vertical plane slightly towards and away from the user, depending on the shade being displayed. The effect is very subtle, but it is to do with the physical orientation of subpixels.

It is not influenced in any way by aliasing, subpixel arrangement (which is very similar on modern AMVA and other modern LCD panels) and does not require a complete black-white contrast to be seen. It isn’t just specific to text, either. It is too subtle to be photographed and is not something all users will notice. It’s something you’d have to see for yourself. Personally I think the effect is really a non-issue on current VA panels and the bold contrast actually makes elements appear to ‘pop out’ more than the physical alignment of the pixels.

[KDE]

TN panels have solid subpixels which are only changing brightness
non-antialiased text is displayed as white and black
antialiased text is displayed as white, grey and black
Isn’t 3D effect caused by grey/incomplete subpixels, which means there is no 3D effect if there are only white and black?

[KDE]

Do you see 3D effect if you display white solid horizontal and vertical lines on black background?

[PCM2]

That is a macro shot of S-PVA subpixels – it’s a bit different to AMVA and only the orientation (rather than structure) is related to the 3D effect. It has been a while since I’ve even looked at a VA panel of any sort so I haven’t been able to observe the 3D effect for white on a black background. It may indeed be that because it doesn’t involve intermediate steps (greys with variable vertical subpixel orientation) the 3D effect is not there. I will check this out next time I have a VA model, which won’t be too long I imagine.

[KDE]

I’m considering also Dell S2415H which you tested. Is it correct that when Viewing angles video was made, monitor was set to 159 cd brightness? Would glow be lower if you use minimal brightness?
I’m now using old matte CCFL TN monitor with measured contrast 700:1. Will black level of S2415H including glow be comparable to my old monitor from 60 cm / 2 feet distance?

[PCM2]

Don’t be put off in the glow shown in the video. It blooms out off-angle which makes it appear quite obvious, which is the intention of the video. If you lower the brightness then the effect is reduced.

The black level for most of the monitor will appear superior to your old model, since the static contrast is stronger. Peripheral regions are affected by IPS glow from a normal viewing position (including viewing from 60cm away) as noted in the review. It’s something you’d really have to see for yourself, it’s very subjective and doesn’t bother everyone at all.

[shreeux]

I am currently using 17″ CRT monitor…I need to replace monitor because of reduce eye strain and fatigue.,

My profession is trading…So always sit on system only.

My usage is mostly Trading terminal, Charting software,browsing,reading e-books,HD Movies and Games.,

My Graphics card is XFX HD6670 2GB DDR3

MY Graphics card XFX HD6670 OUTPUT:
Dual link Support : Y
HDMI Ready : 1.4a
Max Supported Resolution (DIGITAL) : 2560 x 1600
Output – Display Port : 1
Output – DL-DVI-D : 1
Output – HDMI : 1

I need best future proof…Next 3-5 years.,

1. Budget?

Now 20K…In case features good, I will extend my budget.

2. Display type and size?

Confuse 24″ or 27″

3. Primary use of Tv/monitor?

Only Monitor.

4. Ports Required?

Future proof…In future i will change my graphics card within 1 to 2 years, Currently now all pc games are supported my gpu.

5. Preferred choice of brand?

Any

6. Any TV/monitor in consideration?

Only Monitor.

7. Any other info that you want to share.

Best for Eye strain..like flicker free, low blue light,good resolution and refresh rate.,

If speakers available good, Good reading for Text.,

[PCM2]

Hi shreeux,

There are some good suggestions on this thread, which is a suitable place for this post. Before addressing your specific requirements I’d need to know what you mean by ’20K’. 20,000 what? 🙂

[shreeux]

Hi PCM2,

20K was INR..,

[PCM2]

Given your uses, system capabilities and requirements I feel a model with a 2560 x 1440 resolution would be nice. The Dell U2515H is one of the cheapest with such capabilities and is also an excellent monitor. But I must confess, I’m not sure how much it would cost in Indian Rupees and whether it would be available to you locally?

I also wonder if the pixel pitch might be a little on the small side. I haven’t tested this model myself yet, but depending on your viewing distance and eyesight it may not necessarily be the best choice for viewing comfort. I’d find it difficult to recommend a 1920 x 1080 model for you given that I have no idea on local availability and pricing, but if I’m not mistaken the BenQ GW2760HS should be available within your price range. And it would be a good choice for what you need.

[wfeldman]

“I also wonder if the pixel pitch might be a little on the small side.”

Is there a downside to small pixel pitch?

[PCM2]

Text, buttons and icons become very small and for some difficult to read unless scaling is used. Scaling is not a perfect solution and has all sorts of issues (including not always being able to be used by some programs and other times not looking neat at all) as discussed here.

[shreeux]

Sorry for late reply,

Your suggestion was good….BenQ GW2760HS its available in India. But Dell U2515H not available.,

Any other monitor my requirements…If features good. I will extend my budget.,

Thank you.,

[PCM2]

In that case I’d stick with the GW2760HS, unless you are willing to extend your budget to a 27″ 2560 x 1440 model like the AOC q2770Pqu, BenQ BL2710PT, Dell U2715H (probably not available – U2713HM might be). That would likely be a huge stretch though so maybe not worth it for you.

[muraxz]

Hi to everyone.I have accidentally found this forum and have learned important things,thanks for the posts.My screen is Samsung 2333T and about the comfort of eyes this is the worst monitor i have ever used. I think this monitor can be called as eye killer. So i decided change this monitor. I live in Turkey. PWM free monitors list is very useful. I have read the tread and checked out the list and made a list of affordable monitors for myself.
1-BenQ XL2720Z 27 inch 1 ms 144 hz led (650usd)
2-Viewsonic VG2401MH Full HD LED 24 inch 1 ms 144 hz (500usd)
3-BenQ XL2411Z 24″ 1ms 144 hz (420usd)
4-Asus VX279H 27″ 5ms 60hz advertised as eye care (420usd)
My priority from more important to less important:
1) A monitor which is not driying and itching my eyes having both flicker free and blue light reduction (might be anti glare too)
2) Good picture quality for watching movies or pictures
3) Although i am not a pc gaming fan, i would prefer a faster monitor if there is not big loss of image quality,comparing to slower ips panels.
4)Easy to calibrate and not problematic with nvidia

I need advices and comments about this list.

[PCM2]

Hi muraxz and welcome,

I’m glad you’ve found the posts and information here useful.

From your list I would recommend the VX279H based on viewing comfort and wanting high levels of image quality without any rigorous calibration requirements. The other models, particularly the ‘XL’ BenQ ones feature attrocious ‘out of the box’ image quality. You can improve this somewhat by careful calibration, but on some units this would require the creation of an ICC profile with a colorimeter. Even then, you wouldn’t have the same rich and consistent shades that are produced by the ASUS.

There is definitely a tradeoff with the highly responsive gaming monitors, and it’s not one that is really worth making unless you play lots of fast paced games. Whilst the elevated refresh rate can be nice on the desktop as well, very few users are sensitive enough to motion blur to find it ‘uncomfortable’ in such situations. It is far outweiged by the number of users who would appreciate having a monitor nicely setup to provide pleasing shades straight from the factory and having a good brightness adjustment range without an ‘overpowering’ feeling to the backlight even at lower brightness levels. 🙂

[muraxz]

Thank you PCM2 for your fast and useful answer. Basing on your answer and further reading of reviews i have rechecked my list and many other panels and have seen that Asus vx279 and vx239 has ah-ips. When i went to store I have seen vx239 and it was very noticeable among many others with clear, well saturated colours and i have seen that it kept the picture contrast very well under low brightness levels.
The only big con with Asus is that vx279 and vx239 are not vesa compatible and adjustment of height and distance will not be available. I think vx239 is more reasonable than vx279 in this case.

Dell s2740s and Dellp2414h-u2414h have vesa mountable ah-ips and affordable panels too.
What do you think about theese Dell monitors, comparing Asus vx239?
I have checked the user manual of vx239 and seen Horizontal and Vertical frequencies under different resolutions. This seems interesting for a pwm free advertised monitor .

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