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August 12, 2019 at 3:19 pm #55422PCM2
Input lag measurement is far from an exact science. It certainly isn’t like measuring frame rate in a game and you aren’t just given one absolute figure that never changes with each “reading”. So it’s certainly possible that the LG 43UK6300’s input lag is higher than measured there. But equally, perhaps you’re more sensitive than you think to input lag – 12ms is perhaps just enough to take you over the threshold of annoyance, so to speak.
With respect to the 276E8VJSB, RTINGS haven’t reviewed that model so you must be mixing up the model number or website with another? I’m confident the input lag is much closer to what we measured than 8ms, which indicates a signal delay which is very low and won’t be a problem even for sensitive users. The motion handling is certainly better, in general, than the EW277HDR that you’re used to – so I agree, that shouldn’t be an issue for you.
The 276E8VJSB doesn’t use a Philips panel, specifically, it uses a Panda panel. They’re relatively new and the panels haven’t been used particularly widely so it’s difficult to say longer term how they fare. But I have no reason to think they won’t last properly. Philips monitors themselves are reliable enough, certainly no worse than average (and their in-warranty support is excellent should something go wrong). People often mistakenly believe paying more for a monitor will yield a product with better quality control. It just doesn’t work like that at all and some of the most outspoken annoyances with monitors in terms of quality control has been on monitors which are relatively expensive. Just because the Philips is cheap doesn’t mean quality control will suffer. The design is very basic and it doesn’t have a big robust and fully adjustable stand, but it doesn’t feel like it’s going to spontaneously fall apart, either.August 12, 2019 at 5:25 pm #55423TomD
I think I will certainly give the 276E8VJSB a try. My only concern is, Amazon aren’t stocking this monitor and I much prefer to buy directly from them (not a 3rd party) due to the excellent returns policy.August 12, 2019 at 5:27 pm #55425PCM2
Amazon UK did sell it directly up until a few days ago! I think they’re just trying to let their third parties shift some stock or perhaps get rid of some of their “Used – Very Good” stock (covered by the usual returns policy). Wherever you end up getting it from, though, if you do go for it, your feedback would be very welcome.August 12, 2019 at 10:15 pm #55426TomD
I’ve been looking around various websites that sell this monitor and I’ve been looking at the user reviews. Some reviews are saying how this monitor is bad for gaming, due to the extreme ghosting. I know you’ve gone over this in your written and video review, but you don’t mention any ‘extreme’ ghosting. Do you think this could simply be because they have the monitor set up incorrectly? I don’t want smokey trails left behind everything when things start moving quick on screen! 😀August 12, 2019 at 10:20 pm #55428PCM2
How many of those users gave anywhere near as much detail as this? Almost certainly zero. Pursuit photographs don’t lie, either. Also be careful that you’re not looking at aggregated reviews for different products, because there isn’t actually very much user feedback on the 276E8VJSB and websites will often aggregate reviews and cause confusion. But just speaking generally, you’d be surprised how many users:
1) Use the “Fastest” setting thinking it’s the right one to use (not understanding it imparts huge overshoot) or
2) Keep the default setting for “SmartResponse”, which I believe is “Off” for this model (unless I’m misremembering) and/or
3) Are taking their first foray into the world of ‘4K’, don’t have a system powerful enough to run it and are simply observing very low frame rates.
The monitor doesn’t have any significant issues with pixel responses. There are weaknesses, but they’re not major weaknesses for a 60Hz model. You should certainly compare the pursuit photographs to the EW277HDR for extra reassurance.August 13, 2019 at 7:07 am #55429TomD
Thanks for the information, I appreciate it!August 13, 2019 at 4:24 pm #55431TomD
Due to the lack of the availability on the Phillips monitor, I’m wondering if it’d be worth my while to extend my budget to £300, but from reading around this site and this previous thread, it seems like the LG 27UL650 is the only other one mentioned, it’s also considerable more than the Phillips. Are there any other 4k monitors around the £300 region that you’re aware of that might be a good shout?
CheersAugust 13, 2019 at 4:25 pm #55433PCM2
One of the LG models would be the best bet aside from the Philips.August 13, 2019 at 8:56 pm #55435TomD
This might also help someone so thought I’d post here and update. I’ve spoken to the amazon business team who have confirmed that they will have the monitor back in stock within 1-2 weeks, so I’ll wait for that and then order 🙂August 13, 2019 at 8:57 pm #55437PCM2
Excellent! Thanks for confirming.August 27, 2019 at 7:26 am #55675Lala20
Hello again,I’m looking for a good 1080p flat monitor for the PS4 Pro/XBOX One X. Do you have any recommendations?(I play a lot of competitive games too)August 27, 2019 at 7:31 am #55681PCM2
There you go – merged your thread with this very insightful existing thread on the topic.August 27, 2019 at 7:49 pm #55691Lala20
Ok, so what i understood from this thread since it’s 1080P it’s better to go with an IPS panel if you use it only for console gaming? but what if i use it for PC gaming as well? TN is the way to go?August 27, 2019 at 7:53 pm #55693PCM2
Not exactly. It’s more that, with a 60Hz monitor (as you’re limited to in almost all cases with games consoles currently) there’s little reason to go for a TN model. Whereas if your gaming includes a mixture of PC and console usage then a high refresh rate model makes sense. It doesn’t have to be TN, although if you play competitively on both platforms that could be attractive. For such mixed usage the AOC C24G1 is an excellent choice as well and many users happily use it for console and PC gaming, including some competitive play. There are plenty of threads covering this model and comparisons with others with PC gaming included as a primary usage (https://forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/budget-1080p-24-144hz-monitor/ for example).August 28, 2019 at 6:54 am #55694Lala20
Thanks a lot, im probably going to buy the 27-inch version since that’s the only one available at the retail stores in my area. The image quality and performance of the 27 is the same as 24?August 28, 2019 at 6:57 am #55698PCM2September 24, 2019 at 9:55 pm #56047Rec83
Hi all, I reply here because I need a new monitor for 4K 60hz console gaming.
I read almost the entire forum, but I’m really doubtful about the choice.
I’m a long time PC gamer with a 2K configuration. My video card is a NVidia 1080ti and my actual monitor is the Acer XB271HU.
I’m going on PS4 Pro only for sports games (FIFA mainly), but my monitor doesn’t return a good quality on HDMI (non native resolution and no native refresh…).
I tested the Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD, in order to have a all-around choice, but I was not impressed. In my opinion there’s a substantial difference between GSync and GSync Compatible monitors over an NVidia video cards. But it could be a problem related only to this model.
So I decided to buy a dedicated 27″ 4K 60Hz monitor.
I’m used to 165Hz refresh, so I need something that does not tire eyes too much.
I restricted the choices on these models: Philips 276E8VJSB and LG 27UL650.
I’m also actracted by Samsung CHG70, but I’m afraid of being disappointed.
I’m open to further advice, thank you very much.September 24, 2019 at 10:01 pm #56050PCM2
You can’t have read quite the entire forum as you wouldn’t use the term ‘2K’ if you had. I don’t blame you for using it, but the term is a disease in my view and I like to stop its spread as much as I can.
With your uses in mind, with a focus on gaming on 4K-capable games consoles, I’d absolutely stick to a 60Hz ‘4K’ model like those you’ve shortlisted. The main advantage of the LG 27UL650 over the Philips 276E8VJSB is that it includes support for AMD FreeSync. Plus has an adjustable stand and VESA holes. It also supports VESA DisplayHDR 400, although the HDR performance is nothing to write home about and most users tend to prefer to leave that disabled anyway. The Philips has a somewhat smoother screen surface and is slightly better calibrated in general. You have to decide how useful you feel FreeSync would be – it’s nice to have, but some users aren’t so sensitive to tearing and stuttering so wouldn’t really find it essential. You also need to bear in mind that the variable refresh rate range is 40 – 60Hz, but game titles running at ‘4K’ on a games console will often dip below 40fps (30fps is often targetted) so you lose that functionality anyway.October 1, 2019 at 9:44 am #56185sunnymo
any plan on reviewing the ASUS CQ32UQ? it’s the first monitor aiming for console gaming, I’m so happy to see it’s about to release recently. It is a 4k monitor with HDR600, 60hz, freesync, 13ms input lag and 95% DCI-P3. It’s very like Philips 326M6VJRMB, or maybe better. I’m very expecting a review on this one.October 1, 2019 at 9:49 am #56188PCM2
Yes, we’ll be taking a look at that one, at some point. ASUS were expecting a review sample later in the year (not sure exactly when) and we’ve got some other models lined up for before then. We were one of the first people to cover this model in a detailed news article and the reason for that was that I found it very interesting – which always bodes well for me wanting to review it. 😉
The console gaming monitor thing is just marketing, of course. It offers an attractive featureset for modern games consoles but that also makes it desireable for PC gaming. Given that modern games consoles are really just mid-range PCs. It certainly isn’t the first monitor marketed as such, though. Philips have a few as well and the 326M6VJRMB and 436M6VBPAB of the Momentum series were marketed in that way, too.
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