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zzzzzDistance between my eyes and monitor is 80cm and I cant see pixels maybe because I do not have eagle eyes like you (I can see same with and without glasses). I will do small test and move monitor closer to 50, 60, 70cm and keep it for 10 days for every distance. But when I did turn it on for first time (27″ monitor placed in same spot where old monitor was and lap top) my body did move back, i must say before i did use laptop and smaller monitor and my body did always move forward so I feel more comfortable now. I never before had monitor with strong brightness and during day around 13:00h i couldnt even see what is on my old monitor and laptop but on 27g2u default settings i can see all on screen in same conditions. so I feel more comfortable now. Witcher III and 6700xt with 144 hz is amazing and i cant go back to 60hz, when I limit fps to 60 in Witcher difference is clear bcz i play it with mouse and keyboard and i move camera a lot and Im sensitive to lag stuttering and less fluid movements.
I plan to upgrade to 27-32″ 4k or 2560x1440p monitor (maybe ex2780q but price is 510e where I live) next time i buy new gpu. My friend use 32″ full hd tv on 60 cm distance and sometimes I can see blurry image like big squares. I must say compared to laptop on lowest brightness in dark room my eyes are not in pain when I look at 27g2u on 90% brightness. I rly love monitor stand and options it provides. I did find on yt video that ex2710s is inferior to ex2710 and they are 80e more compared to 27g2u and I love higher contrast. I did ask aoc did they swap panel for 27g2u since 2020 and I wait for answer. My patience is runing low and i want to see 24g2spu review bcz 27” version will be similar, I will make my move in next few days and buy one more 27g2u for second monitor, but Im not sure should i wait for 27g2spu? Wanted to ask should eyes be in line with center of monitor or top edge and what you think about 2 or 3 monitor setup?
PCM2The EX2710S is not really inferior to the EX2710 in my view. Though it does appear to have the top-end luminance capped more aggressively. Inter-unit variation needs to also be considered, sometimes people put too much weight on a sample size of 2 (one of each model) or focus on elements such as peak luminance which is not relevant in most cases. Given most people wouldn’t choose to set either model to full brightness or anywhere near. Refer to this post which covers the EX2510S vs. EX2510 – same logic applies here. You’re correct that the AOC models offer slightly stronger contrast – plus a wider colour gamut, enhancing vibrancy.
It isn’t really about having “eagle eyes” or being able to “see the pixels”. The extra definition and clarity offered by a significantly higher pixel density usually becomes readily apparent when you actually see such a screen in person. For some it’s a bit like experiencing a high refresh rate such as 144Hz, which you would agree would be difficult to drop back down to 60Hz once you’ve experienced the high refresh rate. It’s unfortunate the EX2780Q comes at such a premium in your case, I assume other 27″ WQHD models are similar? The ergonomically correct viewing position is something that has been debated over the years and the simple answer is that you should position yourself so you are comfortable and not straining your neck when using the monitor. Usually your eyes will be slightly above centre for a 27″ screen and from the distance you sit. Not lined up with the top edge usually, that is too high up really. For larger screens or sitting closer it may make more sense or simply be more practical to sit with your eye-line more central than that.
As for multi-monitor setup, that’s entirely a personal decision. I prefer to use a single larger and higher resolution monitor to multiple monitors in a setup, but some would sway the other way. The AOCs could be particularly well-suited to a multi-display setup given how slim their bezels are, too.
zzzzzThere are some more more affordable WQHD where I live and some models are mentioned in other discussion so I will not talk here more about WQHD monitors.
I wonder if we increase distance between eyes and 27″ 1920x1080p monitor will that be same as 24″ 1920x1080p on shorter distance? If yes that is just + for 27″ bcz we have more options with it but that could depend on users eyes?And I must say when I want to rotate or adjust height, 27g2u will lose connection so its best to first turn it off first and I think you did mention that in 24g2(u) review.
PCM2Yes, if you increase viewing distance sufficiently the lower pixel density becomes less of an issue and any shortcomings related to it less noticeable.
It’s usual for monitors to lose signal if they’re rotated, simply because the cable will usually be pulled slightly out of the port. Whether that occurs during height adjustment is another matter and it depends on the cable really. I can adjust the height of this 24G2SP(U) without any signal loss, simply because the cable is not pulled out even slightly from the port when doing this. If a shorter or less flexible cable is used then it could be an issue.
EsaT80cm is pretty much exceptionally long viewing distance for average size monitor.
(that’s what 27″ is in any kind hobbyer terms)Of course moving monitor farther makes image look smaller per monitor’s size is and vice versa.
Physical size of monitor can be wasted that way.
(can’t understand those going to movie theater only to take rear seat getting smallish field of view coverage)Would consider eyes being at level little above monitor’s center good starting point.
Though with small monitors that might be impossible with monitor stand running out of adjustment range.And before thinking about higher number of monitors you should first fix lackluster resolution not corrected by extra monitors.
Wouldn’t accept lowly 1080p marketing scam even for web browsing:
Have used bigger resolution for over 15 years and bigger vertical resolution for over 20 years.
And minimum for acceptable vertical resolution is now at 1600 pixels.
That gives extreme improvement to web browsing etc by decreasing need for scrolling down/up lot.zzzzzEyes strain less when you increase distance, that is good side of 27″ full hd compared to 24″. I never had monitor with bigger resolution than 1920×1080 so I cant say what Im missing until I try it and I plan to do it in future. But 24” for full hd is just too small its hard to even see dead pixel when your eyes are in front of monitor that is only good side if you ask me. I didnt have need to zoom in or out but I do scroll a lot up and down when I read manga. I like games and I play them a lot and I like high fps its main reason why I still delay upgrade to 2560×1440 even with rx 6700xt. I would not call it marketing scam, but maybe I should be more greedy or you should be more humble time will tell.
PCM2“Eyes strain less when you increase distance”
That’s an inaccurate generalisation. Eyes certainly strain less if you sit an appropriate distance from the monitor and can read content on the monitor without strain and struggle. That could mean relatively close rather than relatively far depending on the individual and the resolution. If 80cm works for you then that’s fine, I don’t consider that particularly “far” from the screen myself, even if it’s a touch further than average to sit from a 27″ screen. If you sit too close and are particularly light-sensitive or are using an inappropriately high brightness then there could be some issues alleviated by increasing distance. But that’s a bit obscure and wouldn’t apply in most cases. Just pointing out that what works for you doesn’t necessarily work for others – the same would go for some of the comments you were replying to.
EsaTExcessively short distance would certainly cause eye strain by forcing them to focus too close.
(“Harmon distance” covers also that)
But for the best possible comfort pixel size should actually be smaller than the smallest detail resolved by eye.
That very high resolution/small dot size is big reason why printed text is such comfortable to read.
It gives everything smooth but accurate edges and curves, instead of vision having to figure out shape from Lego blocks.And brightness of white isn’t excessive on paper.
Too high for comfort brightness would show also as need to move monitor farther.
That decreases area of vision covered by image with eye receiving less light.
(Inuit snow goggles extreme case of that method)Monitor’s position being too high would also cause strain lessened by increasing distance.
Constant pointing of eye upwards from “center”/resting point takes notable effort and from longer distance monitor shows up in smaller vertical angle lowering relative height of top edge.zzzzzThere was case with 24g2u and two diffrent panels, 27g2u too have second version with different eac and serial number. My sources say 27g2u have IPS and VA version. My 27g2u is bright and have strong or vibrant red color (you did mention red color in 24g2u review) and I think black is not too deep and viewing angles are strong so I dont think its VA version. Looking at informations i can find on internet. I did conclude that I have IPS panda panel. Im not sure how but there is way to see name of panel in monitor options maybe I shold try that. What is strange is that both shops for both version say its IPS. I did find on internet that 27g2u with IPS-type IGZO technology panel (LC270LF1F) have better response time but weaker contrast than 24g2u IPS-type IGZO technology panel (LC238LF1F).
PCM2This needs clarification as you seem to have some confused and incorrect information:
– The 24G2(U) was based on a Panda panel initially, moved temporarily to BOE then switched back to Panda. Refer to this post.
– The 27G2U has always been and always will be IPS. And it doesn’t vary a huge amount from its ~24″ counterpart when it comes to pixel responsiveness, so that’s not a good way to separate them. The 27G2SU (not to be confused with the 27G2U or 27G2SPU) is VA. Same for their ~24″ counterparts.
– AOC intends to stick with one panel (Panda-based) with the 24G2SP(U) and its 27″ counterpart the 27G2SP(U) unless an unforseen supply chain issue completely forces there hand, avoiding this sort of confusion.
zzzzzI know they did swap back to original panel for 24g2u. To say true I did ask AOC support and I think AOC support did make mistake about VA panel because many AOC monitors have simillar name. Maybe they did change IPS panel of 27g2u for short time like with 24g2u.
My 27g2u from 2020 eac: HFN serial: GYG
first shop
27g2u manufactured in june or july 2021 eac: HFN serial: GYGsecond shop
27g2u eac: HFP serial: PMGPCM2Not the same panel, no. But variants from the same panel family.
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