[PCM2]

If you read my replies in the thread you’re referring to regarding the XG2401, you’ll see I make it very clear (or try to) that the issue is one of inter-unit variation with the panel used. Which is exactly the same panel in both the XG2401 and XG2402. Some XG2401s are nicely calibrated, some are not. If you get one that isn’t and it has significant gamma issues, you’re out of luck because the OSD flexibility simply isn’t there to correct it. The XG2402 shows similar variation but has much greater flexibility in the OSD to correct this. There can still be some slight kinks even if you do correct things as best you can in the OSD, but usually things are close enough to overcome a ‘washed out’ look to the image caused by much lower than intended gamma. If you’re going to analyse things at a finer level on a TN panel you’re ignoring the elephant in the room. Colour consistency, which has a huge effect on perceived gamma and saturation levels and is the same for all models using this panel (both ViewSonics, etc. etc.). It’s important to get the gamma reasonably close to ‘2.2’, but trying to track that perfectly is far less important with these innate inconsistencies in mind. You can do that on nearly all XG2402s, but it’s more of a lottery with the XG2401. And don’t ignore the responsiveness differences raised in the reviews. And don’t discount the newer XG240R, either.

Dead or defective pixels are no more common on the C24G1 than any other Full HD monitor, from what I’ve seen. I’ve recommended this to many users and being put off by one or two stories of dead pixels, which could (and does) affect any unit is not prudent. I’m going to leave it at that. Regarding the S2719DGF, certainly wait for that review. But also be aware that ‘perfect whites’ and ‘perfect color accuracy’ is nonsense. With the former, you need to account for inter-unit variation which can flip that on its head. With the latter, you need to account for that elephant in the room I just mentioned. Don’t use the word “perfect” so lightly, you’ll set yourself up for disappointment if you do. And when it comes to colour accuracy you need to be far more cautious than to look at what a little device tells you about the very centre of the screen, especially with TN models. There are sound reasons we analyse things in the way we do and I’m fundamentally opposed to colorimetric ‘colour accuracy’ measurements for primarily this reason. NCX also noted a far more important issue with gamma on his unit, a far more important consideration for a monitor of this sort. Stay tuned.

P.S. Sorry if the tone of this post came across as harsh, I just feel like I’m repeating some things here that I shouldn’t have to repeat and I don’t like having to do that. I do sympathise with your position and know how frustrating monitor buying can be. The TLDR is certainly wait for that upcoming Dell review and don’t pay too much attention to isolated user experiences of other models as they can paint a very misleading picture.

[DannyBritty]

You don’t have to repeat yourself, I’ve read a lot of your reviews and from other reviewers too. I’m aware of the inter unit variations which made me think several times about the revelance of all those reviews. For me the reviews are still pretty accurate, as I see with my Acer Nitro attempts, overall the 3 units looks pretty much the same, with big variations of homogeneity and white tints but someone who is not too picky might not be able to notice them, or be bothered with them.

About the XG2402 I had only one unit in my hands, 3 things bothered me : Sharpness, bottom colors washed out (too much) and tint : some parts were greenish, others blueish, felt strange. The 1st and 2nd issue in my opinion can be related to 144Hz refresh rate, because it was better at 60Hz, it seems that they still have a hard time to make proper 144Hz panels nowadays without altering image quality. Aside from that this monitor was amazing in responsiveness, I really prefered to play at BFV with it than the Acer, there is no blur at all on the Viewsonic. I noticed the difference between the two even if I’m not a pro-gamer.

I just can’t believe that my 8 years old TN monitor still has a better image than this new TN monitor, it has a yellowish tint all across the screen, but it’s pretty uniform so it does not bother me. I’ve never noticed the gamma shift on it before I read your reviews (I didn’t know it even existed), I notice it now when I slide some colors content from top to bottom but it’s slight, the difference is not as big as the Viewsonic. I don’t think it’s a pearl either, I bought it because lesnumériques reviewed it 8 years ago and it was rated 3/5 cheap monitor.

I don’t think the Viewsonic unit was bad, it was OK but I felt like “ok I spend 200€ to have an adjustable stand and 144Hz” I expected at least same or better image quality. And as I mentioned before, I had my hands on the Acer XB241h Gsync and it was horrible compared to the Viewsonic, I would take the Viewsonic any day over the Acer.

I kinda like when reviewers provides colorimetric measurement on TN, because even if I’m aware this is biased by viewing angles and gamma shift (thanks to you), it gives an idea the overall picture quality, even if it’s a TN. Some reviewers shows deltaE variations, and some others like Lim’s Cave shows white point color temperature and I don’t know if it can be viewed as the same thing or not.

I will propably order a new Viewsonic XG240XXXX the cheapest one who comes first, there are no XG240R in store yet in France atm, same for the Dell S2719DGF. I don’t manage to set my mind on a VA monitor, maybe I should, maybe I will change my mind but blur and responsiveness worry me.

Anyways thanks to you Adam, and don’t worry I understand all you say with your lovely voice in your videos ah ah 😀 , you don’t need to repeat :p

PS : There are no Nixeus monitors here in France unfortunately.

[PCM2]

The main aspects about the XG2402 that bothered you are not going to be any different on a model using the same panel, unfortunately. Although I don’t like to give away too much, I can certainly tell you that the Dell S2719DGF is significantly better in terms of overall colour quality than any model using that 24″ 144Hz Full HD TN panel. And the uniformity of our review sample is excellent (ignoring unavoidable viewing angle related issues, which shouldn’t really be brushed over).

But don’t conflate colour accuracy measurements and uniformity measurements. Although both can be expressed in DeltaE, they are entirely different things. And as I’ve already pointed out we do explore uniformity in decent detail in our written reviews. Most users like a consistent, rich and more often than not vibrant image – exactly as you want from your monitors it would seem. But that’s not really something colour accuracy measurements convey. It is something that assessing all aspects of colour reproduction together (as we do) will give you a good idea about, however. And considering aspects like gamma, colour gamut,, consistency, overall colour balance and screen surface are all vital.

It’s nice to have my work appreciated, by the way. And I also appreciate the feedback you’ve given and the thoughts you’ve shared here on your adventure. I just hope it has a happy outcome for you in the end. 🙂

[Astrix_AU]

Regarding the Nixeus here it is the latest version!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/al89gt/new_nixeus_edg27s_v2_listed_on_amazon/

[Astrix_AU]

@ DannyBritty if your after more colour and brightness uniformity you have to choose a back lit LED, the Innolux is edge lit which tend to suffer more in that area.

[PCM2]

Actually, practically all modern LCDs with LED backlights are technically edge-lit, whether with clusters or strips combined with light guides. The only models with fully uniformity arrays behind the screen these days are models with FALD backlights. And that certainly doesn’t guarantee perfection in that area either (case in point). You’d need an effective uniformity compensation setting to really see strong performance in this area. Some models are certainly better than others, on average, but avoiding ‘edge-lit’ solutions is nigh on impossible.

[elgreco]

Can some one tell me how to get in to the service menu on the nitro series of Acer. I got the VG270UP and I want to check which panel it uses. Some VG270UP are using the innolux panel and some are using the AUO panels..

[PCM2]

Manufacturers don’t really like me discussing that kind of thing with users or discussing how to do it. But I can see on another forum that you’ve already received your answer and have accessed the service menu. You’re expecting to see the panel used there, but I’m afraid different Acer models have different service menus and they don’t all display that information. What you have managed to access is in fact the service menu (factory menu), there is no additional one.

[VisuallySnake]

Hi, i can get both monitors for the same price but i can’t choose which one to get.

I will be mostly gaming so i should obviously get VG270UP BUT… i want for the first time to have a monitor that will give me vibrant, juicy colors. I want be able to slow down in games for a while and appreciate the view. I just want to enjoy graphics in games for the first time.

I’m running low latency TN monitors with washed colors (i even say that without colors), with boosted blacks to see enemy on screen better, with everything dull etc. my whole life because i was playing competitively. But i’m no longer playing CS:GO or anything else in competitive manner, but i’m still playing single-player FPS games.

Dell U2715H will have amazing color accuracy for sure (compared to what i’ve used before) and it’s even factory calibrated (better than nothing) but what about VG270UP? It have FreeSync, 144Hz, IPS, 8bit panel etc. etc. on paper it’s clearly a winner. But what about the reality? How the colors and everything compares to old 60Hz Dell U2715H?

I will be also watching movies etc. i don’t use a TV.

I will NOT be able to calibrate my monitor, a don’t have equipment.

If you have a different model that you can recommend i would appreciate it a lot! I narrowed down to this two models, but i’m not excluding something new. My requirements are 1440p, IPS-like panel, 27 inch and colors / blacks that will give me enjoyment in games. Must be available in europe for 400 euro or less.

[PCM2]

VisuallySnake,

I’ve merged your thread with this one as it has some good feedback on the VG270UP and a very specific comparison with a Dell model that is discontinued in most regions isn’t worth a standalone thread. If they’re the same price and your focus is gaming, you will benefit greatly from the increased refresh rate. Even with everything else considered. As I haven’t used the VG270UP myself and Acer don’t have any samples to offer, I can’t give as much useful feedback as has already been presented by the OP of this thread. As noted you can expect rich and vibrant-looking colours, you’re more likely to notice the differences in responsiveness than image quality between those two models.

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