[msphi]

Thanks for your response,

Is there any reviews on monitors using the same panel as the LG ones? I would like to see how good (or bad) is its color accuracy, apart from that, what would be your recommendation for a budget monitor with good color accuracy, I’ve read the Philips 246E9QDSB is pretty good on that regard but I would like to know more before buying anything.

[PCM2]

I’ve given you as much information as I can and have made my own recommendations clear. I can’t give you any more technical analysis on a model I haven’t tried and have no user feedback on. That includes the LG models plus the Philips 246E9QDSB. They’re most likely fine for your uses (I assume: you haven’t actually shared what they are), there’s really only so much that varies between most 60 – 75Hz ~24″ Full HD IPS models as I’ve said. The main potential draw of the Philips is the enhanced colour gamut (129% sRGB), which enhances saturation and vibrancy at the expense of accuracy. If you like the sound of that extra vibrancy and are again happy with the tilt-only stand (as with the LG models), I’m sure the Philips will serve you well.

[msphi]

I planned on using it for some photo editing and media viewing (thus the question about color accuracy) but mostly for use as a secondary monitor, since most panels are the same in this price range and the Dell one is pretty hard to find here I think I will go for it.

[Anonymous]

I’ve been on the hunt for a replacement for my dying Dell 2412M. This forum and, especially the reviews, have been a really helpful collection of well-written information and advice!

I’ve tested two monitors so far and will leave my impressions here. The tl;dr is that the AOC is good with its 144hz, great colours (after adjusting), but it’s also very bright, has bleed, glow, uniformity and viewing angle issues. The Philips has less pop than the AOC, but also less issues. No blb, good colours, and better dark performance.

AOC 24G2U:

Out of the box, this monitor looked terrible. It looked green-ish and very … washed out. I used the Portrait Display version of G-Menu (recommended over official one due to better settings control) to set brightness to 30, rbg to 46/44/53 on gamma 1 and shadow control to 48. It looks pretty damn good to me now, with the only nitpick being that dark scenes still aren’t dark enough and that i can’t really improve that without crushing colours (gamma 3).

Sadly my unit has pretty visible backlight bleedthrough in two places at the bottom of the screen. They’re not noticeable during the day or with bright content, but any type of letterboxed content in a dark room makes them visible and i’m not happy with that. Another thing I found strange was colour and brightness consistency with viewing angles. It’s mostly fine and definitely still IPS, but when my eye level is in the upper third of the monitor, the lower third looks visibly dimmer than the upper. I found this pretty bad and also kind of strange for an IPS panel.

I’m still somewhat undecided on the fate of this unit. I want to send it back because of the BLB issue and because I didn’t really find the 144hz experience revelatory (mostly cuz i’m on a 1060, and i’m not planning on upgrading). How frequent are minor blb issues like this? Would a replacement likely not have them?

Philips 245B1

I wanted to test 1440p at 24″. I’m not sure how i feel about it yet. On the one hand, the additional screen real estate is pretty amazing. On the other … I probably need scaling.

The OSD/settings offer less options than on the AOC. The default experience is MUCH better though, so i needed to fiddle with the settings a lot less. Generally, this monitor feels like it has a lot less glow and does better with darker content, which i’m really happy about. Uniformity is also pretty good, except for maybe the top right and left. The minimum brightness level on this one also feels like it’s lower than on the AOC (which can be a bit much).

It feels like it has less contrast than the AOC, as colours don’t pop quite as much. Overall, they’re still pretty decent though.
For non-gaming content, I liked this monitor more than the AOC because of its higher consistency, less glow, and especially no weird colour shifts when changing the horizontal viewing angles. But, tbh., i couldn’t even tell when I went from the 144hz back to 75hz. That’s probably both on me and my GPU though.

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I’m honestly not quite sure what to do yet. I like the Philips, but 1440p makes my GPU a lot louder than I had hoped. I’d appreciate a recommendation for anything that’s as good or better than the philips in terms of consistency, black/glow performance and colours at 1080p (at less than $200)

[PCM2]

Backlight bleed can and does affect models of any unit. The AOC is prone to wider uniformity issues and as covered in the review isn’t really up with the best IPS-type performers in terms of colour consistency. To me it sounds like you’re getting very little out of 144Hz and would probably be happier with something that’s a more solid IPS performer with lower refresh rate than the AOC but the same Full HD resolution. The issue here is how much you need/desire the wide colour gamut. There are plenty of recommendations throughout this thread for 60 – 75Hz Full HD models, but most of them have a narrower colour gamut than the models you’ve just assessed. Your best bet for a wide gamut model that should offer a similar experience to the 245B1 is the Philips 246E9QDSB discussed just above.

P.S. mo-pcm, I assume you are ‘Lemon’ who was posting earlier? Why did you create another account? If you forget your password the forum has the facility to let you generate a new one, provided you have access to the email you registered with. Or you can just ask me and I’ll fix it up for you.

[Anonymous]

This is actually my only account here! It’s pretty amusing that both the previous monitor and priorities are so similar between that other user and me.

And yes, 144hz went way down on my list of priorities after trying it. I even asked around on reddit before making the purchase whether it’d be worth it without a heavy gaming focus and with not being able to hit those high fps numbers, but the bias for high hertz numbers is really strong in some subs it seems.

As for the 246E9QDSB — wow, is that thing cheap! Sadly the lack of vertical adjustability kind of sucks. I’ll still think about it though. And I’m not sure how much I really need the wider gamut. Uniformity and not-too-glowy blacks (for ips) are important, along with consistency across angles. Maybe I should just try another Dell. I see the P2419 (or S) mentioned a lot, but it seems there also is a P2421 now, which has a resolution of 1920×1200. Unlike some of their other newer monitors it’s still just 60hz though. Have you heard anything about that one?

[PCM2]

Quite the coincidence indeed! I did notice you had different writing styles and didn’t really think you’d have changed your username by creating a new account. But it’s best to check in case some merging was required.

The P2421 is designed to complement and not replace the P2419H. I’ve received no feedback on it, but I’m quite sure it will be a solid enough product. Dell’s ‘P’ and ‘U’ series models have been quite consistently good recently and I don’t see why that would be any different. You haven’t actually mentioned what your uses are. That might determine whether 16:10 is more or less suitable than 16:9. For work purposes or browsing the internet the extra vertical space is useful, but either way a significant downgrade from 2560 x 1440. As you’d seen, the WQHD resolution can be better suited to larger screens.

For video content 16:10 is not useful as the content is either 16:9 or an UltraWide aspect, never or extremely rarely 16:10. For gaming 16:10 is unattractive because most games use HOR+ scaling, so you lose horizontal FOV whilst gaining nothing vertically compared to a 16:9 model.

[Anonymous]

Huh, and here I thought that was the follow-up model! Shouldn’t there be a new one to replace the 19 soon? And my uses are pretty general. Some work, some gaming, and watching content. I’m kinda more into watching movies these days than doing gaming though, hence the higher requirements for uniformity and angle consistency. But yeah, I really shouldn’t get a 1200p monitor all considered. This has probably been asked before, so apologies in advance, but i’m curious about how much of a difference there is between panel quality (colours, glow, uniformity, etc) in these sub $200 IPS offerings vs something that’s at $300 or $500?

[PCM2]

The P2419H doesn’t have a known replacement in the pipeline. And even if it did, the changes would be inconsequential so not worth worrying about. I guess native 75z refresh rate support could be added, but that’s gone to the ‘S’ series this time.

Much to the dismay of people who opt for more expensive monitors, even those more expensive than $500, that doesn’t guarantee better uniformity. You pay for extra resolution, refresh rate, larger screens, superior colour gamut, HDR support etc. rather than any guarantee of better quality control.

[Anonymous]

That’s really disappointing to hear. There’s not really any point in going for a higher budget when I don’t even really need a larger screen or any of the added features. Thanks for your help so far. I’ll come back after settling on a monitor to leave one more round of impressions.

[Anonymous]

I got the U2419H for basically the same price as the P2419 would have been, so I went with the Ultrasharp. It’s solid. The build-quality and ergonomics are really nice. The menu is kind of ok, but it’s lacking a pretty vital function … maybe, but i’ll come to that in a second.

Overall, the colours on the U2419H are quite good. Bright content looks more ‘correct’ than on the Philips (i’m currently using default rgb settings at 7500k). But I’m pretty confused at how it’s handling somewhat darker or higher contrast media. Or generally i’m somewhat confused about its saturation and gamma. The latter is the setting I really wish I could adjust in the OSD. For reference, I took a few pictures: https://imgur.com/a/cvjbrh7. Dell is on the right, Philips on the left. I know photos aren’t the most ideal to compare, but those mostly reflect what I perceive when I sit in front of these monitors. Is this an extreme case of glow? It doesn’t look like it, tbh. What exactly is going on there and is there anything I can do to bring saturation/gamma/black levels on a more acceptable level?

[PCM2]

I’ll keep this brief, because it’s made very clear in the forum rules that this isn’t a free technical support forum. Having said that, I appreciate the effort you’ve gone to with the photos. It does appear to have gamma that’s significantly lower than it should be. Which is odd, because the U2419H should be well calibrated in that respect. If you’re using an Nvidia GPU, make sure you correct the colour signal. If all else fails, it might be worth reducing the gamma a bit in the graphics driver.

[Anonymous]

I would have edited the earlier post if I could, but you were spot on with the link. The issue was that the output was set to limited (it’s even connected via DP and it’s only monitor this happened to, so strange!). Changing it fixed the gamma issues, thankfully, and the U2419h now looks consistently the most natural out of all the monitors I’ve seen so far, which is really nice. Sadly, the change to proper black levels also exposed the worst uniformity issues and BLB i’ve seen so far. I uploaded a few more pics just for reference.

I’ll add a final verdict now for posterity’s sake. I’d be happy with either the 245b1 or the U2419h. Both offer good colours, decent ergonomics. The 1440p on the Philips really is pretty cool, if you can run it and the Dell edged it out with its slightly more natural-looking colours and it’d probably be the best monitor out of all of these for media consumption. The AOC wasn’t good for me due to the panel. It was (i think) the brightest out of all these (the Dell has the lowest minimum brightness, which might be interesting for some?), but the viewing angle issues it had were distracting. Especially during productivity tasks (scrolling through a lot of text in particular). This issue alone proved annoying enough for me to eliminate this monitor first. Anyway, I’ll have to think about whether I can live with the uniformity issues. I really wish it wasn’t this hard to find a panel with fewer of them. Or BLB. The latter really is the worst. Thanks for the help again PCM2!

[ludara_udara]

I am currently using Dell P2419H and I am planning to buy second monitor.

First of all, I am studying Software Engineering, so obviously the both of them are going to be used for coding. Also, it would be great to mention that I play some light gaming(csgo, gta v,..).
Most of the time I am using my PC, but when I am studying Swift I use MacBook Pro 2015(mini DP to DP).

I am considering between one more Dell P2419H or AOC 24G2U.

The plan is to use, both of the monitors while I am on PC, and one of them when I am on Mac because Mac’s is the main monitor in that case.

I am worried about colors, esthetics and other stuff. Is it worth going for that AOC just because of that 144Hz and 1ms?

[PCM2]

I’ve merged your thread with this one. Your question is 100% subjective and something you’ll have to decide on your own. Forget the ‘1ms’ though, per the review and per our article on the topic such specifications are utter rubbish. You’d need to decide how important the 144Hz capability is (vs. 60Hz). The responsiveness experience and other aspects of the monitor are explored in great subjective (and objective) depth in our review. You’d need to weigh that up for yourself against the closer match to your current monitor of the P2419H, there’s really nothing more I can add to that. Perhaps from the AOC for yourself and see. But you don’t know what you’re missing if you’re used to a 60Hz, so you might prefer to keep it that way.

[Anonymous]

I have an addendum and more questions. I recently got to test the Viewsonic VX2758-2KP-MHD when a friend bought it and decided that I like 27 inches even if my GPU is somewhat underpowered for 1440p. The panel quality on the VX was good and it had no BLB at all, which was great to see. I was honestly starting to doubt this even existed. It had some glow, but that’s not as bad as blb for me. Anyway, ergonomics are atrocious and it can’t do 10bit at anything higher than 60hz, which is a bummer. The horizontal viewing angles were also not great, but it’s not particularly noticable in most cases. Colours looked pretty good and I’d have been happy with that unit. Sadly the Prime Day deal for this (260 euros) isn’t available anymore, so now i’m looking for alternatives. Generally, i’d guess that the PA278QV would be pretty much perfect, but it’s slightly out of my budget (sub 300) as well.

So far I’ve considered the Dell S2721DS(245) and the PD2720D (265). I also found a few Philips monitors in the range (275S1AE, 275E2FAE, 272B8QJEB), which might be nice, but there is basically no feedback on any of them and I was wondering whether you heard anything about these or have some recommendations? Cheers!

[PCM2]

I haven’t received any feedback on those models, so again my recommendation remains for the PA278QV which is a very solid monitor and worth its asking price. It is admittedly priced even more competitively in the US, but even for €300 it’s the best option out there as far as I’m concerned.

I’ve received some feedback on some pretty similar Philips models to those ones and have some experience with a few myself and they’re usually pretty solid performers. The Dell ‘S’ and ‘P’ series have been a bit variable in general, especially with respect to their gamma calibration. I dislike the way Dell models usually lack gamma options as well, so you could be stuck with that regardless of what you do in the OSD. So I couldn’t really recommend those without some solid feedback to refer to or some hands-on experience. I’m sure they’d be quite acceptable for your uses though, the gamma calibration isn’t usually too far off target and wouldn’t be like what you were observing earlier with the limited range colour signal! 🙂

[Anonymous]

Ha! I’m definitely not doing the limited range thing again. And it sounds like the ProArt is going to receive quite a glowing review eh? That’s good to hear. I think I might hold off on making a choice a little more. As that monitor would cost me around €350, which is definitely a bit beyond the initial budget.

[GiantHogweed]

After all my trouble with other monitors I’d bought and returned (mentioned earlier on this thread), I’d just tried to put up with my S2415h sub pixel defect.

But after seeing an IPS monitor by philips new on Amazon for well under £100, I thought I would take a risk. The Philips 243V7QDAB.

Given the price of this, i will have to force myself to overcome the few things I seem to notice more than others.

Something that PCM2 mentioned about Philips or another monitor by them just up this page was the presets of some of the modes. Modes such as Photo, Game and Movie all look totally unnatural and over saturate everything so excessively that I don’t know how anyone could really appreciate the difference. Anyhow, as a review mentioned elsewhere, the stock image of this monitor doesn’t seem quite right and it does take some faffing around in the OSD to make it look decent, but you can get there eventually.

Maybe I’m just not seeing what makes such a price difference? I’m not seeing much difference in terms of image quality with this monitor compared to the few others that I bought and returned that were around the £300 mark. They did have extra inputs and were QHD as well as being a 25 inch, but in general, I couldn’t say the image was a lot better. In fact this has less of that colour shift effect (grey to brown from left to right) on a dark screen than any of them.

From the matte vs glossy article I read, I’m not sure this is related or not, but on all the recent matte monitors I’ve tried, the differences between the dark colours seems much more difficult to distinguish than on my S2415H. An example when gaming in dark scenes, well if something is dark, it is so close to black that I just can’t tell different objects apart as most just seem to merge. My glossy monitor actually didn’t have very deep blacks (less so than this new philips monitor) but it was much more easy to see a wider variety of shades with deep colours. If a gloss finish is related to helping with that, it is yet another thing that surprises me as to why they don’t make them any more.

I think I will learn to accept it, but this monitor does have a patch of backlight bleed, but as PCM2 advised before, it does help to have some more lighting on in the room to get around this, and lights is less of a problem with a non reflective monitor at least.

I do wonder why backlight bleed is such a common occurrence though. From my impression, given it is a random blob of brownish light leaking through that varies in size, area and brightness, it is surely related to quality control during the manufacturing process. 3 much older monitor models I have that all have a chunky frame around the edge of the screen have absolutely zero noticeable backlight bleed.

These are the 3 older models i mentioned. Image quality is admittedly not comparable though.

Samsung SyncMaster 245B
Samsung SyncMaster 2343NW
LG 24EN43

Is it really for the sake of “style” and being slim that could be making this issue occur so much more often now? Not that any of those old monitors had an IPS display, but I don’t think backlight bleed is related to that.

I should get over this for the price i paid for it, but given monitors such as the Dell U2518D had terrible backlight bleed compared to this, it gives me an impression that it is a very common occurrence, even on expensive monitors. It’s just based on my experience, when monitors were more solidly build, this didn’t happen as often.

All based on my experience and not sure how much of this is actually representative. But I certainly to think technology used to be better built that it is now.

[jirobaye]

hi guys, i’m looking for buying a cheap monitor around 100-150€ where i’ll use it for ps4/ps5, raspberry and occasionally for 2nd pc monitor (actually i’ve a Dell S2417DG)

but i really need only 1 thing, that i can switch source just hitting a button or with remote, one thing that i hate of my main monitor is that, for switching source i’ve to interact with that horrible internal menu

there are some monitor out there with this simple and useful feature?

best regards.

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