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  • January 12, 2017 at 3:16 am #41314

    vuminhduc
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    @ PCM2 Do you think the recently announced PG27UQ will support HDR when connected with game consoles via HDMI? Nvidia keeps saying G Sync HDR like they are supposed go together and we all know that G Sync cannot work via HDMI, so will that be the case as well for HDR? That would not make sense really, considering Asus announces another monitor: PA32U, which only has HDR and not G Sync.

    Cannot use the monitor (an extremely expensive one) for both PC and PS4 Pro is a deal breaker for me.

    January 12, 2017 at 2:51 pm #41316

    PCM2
    Keymaster

    I too got the impression it was something that would be controlled by the G-SYNC module, seeing as it is a new feature called G-SYNC HDR that is specifically featured on the monitor. I’m not sure whether the backlight could be controlled in such a way for other HDR or for that matter SDR content, outside of the control of a compatible Nvidia GPU.

    January 13, 2017 at 1:45 am #41322

    vuminhduc
    Participant

    @ PCM2 I hope that they just call it G-Sync HDR because this is a new version of G-Sync that is fine tuned for HDR (like Freesync 2) instead of controlling it.
    Also, I chat with a person from Asus Republic of Gamers on facebook and he says the monitor’s HDMI port is not specified, but HDR should work over HDMI. He may only be a personnel in charge of social media though, so what he says may not be true. I am awaiting official confirmation.
    Considering Nvidia GPU supports HDR via both DP and HDMI, but G-sync is only supported via DP, we may have HDR via HDMI without “G-sync HDR” tech, which possibly introduces high input lag like what we see in HDR TVs.

    February 7, 2017 at 5:08 pm #41571

    Umbral
    Participant

    I made another small test about PPI.
    PCM2 is right that CRT and LCD are not the same thing when it comes to dot pitch.

    Simply put a 27″ 1080p LCD can’t be used if you want to stay close to it because you will easily see the black grid separating pixels especially on a white background. Thus to use a 27″ 1080p monitor you will have to keep a proper distance.

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    Moreover regarding the aspect ratio, i also tested recently some models and i found out that 16:10 like i said before, works better for many things in my opinion than 16:9.

    I would like to ask if anyone has information about 2017 future models that come in either 24″ 1920 x 1200 or 30″ 2560×1600. Preferably VA not IPS, also low haze value semi glossy or better full glossy. Other specifications i would seek are Freesync 2, along with flicker free, low blue light.

    Also in the case of 24″ it should be real 24″ not less and rounded up.

    A normal 24″ 1080p has 91.79 PPI, while a 24″ 1200p has a better 94.34 PPI.
    A normal 32″ 1440p has 91.79 PPI, while a 30″ 1600p has a much better 100.63 PPI.

    The 24″ 16:10 is only 1.32 cm less in height compared to a 27″ 16:9.

    The 30″ 16:10 is 0.53 cm more in height compared to a 32″ 16:9.

    The 24″ 1200p will be easier to play games with, and more useful if one has a shallow desk.
    The 30″ 1600p would work best for editing/cad and more screen space and resolution for deeper desk.

    I remember PCM2 mentioned a year ago Samsung S24e650XW.

    Don’t know if that model really has a very light matte screen surface, but i would prefer some new model.

    Right now the 24″ Samsung model i mentioned above (241 euro XM) is slightly more expensive than the 27″ BenQ EW2775ZH (189 euro).

    I know 16:10 is pricier than 16:9 , and that people would be inclined and tempted to go for what will probably be the cheapest ‘big but good panel’ on 32″ found on BenQ EW3270ZL

    The point of 16:10 is more near periphery usage, since near periphery is defined as a circle. And far periphery is defined as something closest to 16:10.

    Thank you.

    February 9, 2017 at 5:10 pm #41588

    Umbral
    Participant

    Are there any new 24″ 16:10 1920 x 1200 AMVA+ models from companies such as BenQ etc. ?

    February 9, 2017 at 6:43 pm #41591

    PCM2
    Keymaster

    There haven’t been any 1920 x 1200 VA monitors for a long time.

    February 12, 2017 at 6:26 pm #41607

    Umbral
    Participant

    I am wondering if VA makers such as AOU are thinking of making new panels for gaming/movies in HDR using Freesync 2, for 27″ 1080p (budget gaming) and 27″/32″1440p (high budget gaming).

    How much time could pass until such monitors would appear ?

    I am interested also in, Low Framerate Compensation which according to the article above is mandatory on Freesync 2.

    February 12, 2017 at 7:55 pm #41608

    PCM2
    Keymaster

    I’m quite sure that we will see such monitors, but I’m really not sure when.

    February 13, 2017 at 12:24 am #41609

    Intikhab
    Participant

    I have to agree that 16:10 is still better to look at and work. under normal situations where you are working at singular pages etc and don’t get easily lost when shifting between programs then it is need for. Take me for example when ever I am writing programs I always hate when I have no height to give to actual program, because most of it is given to other thing relating to directory path, debug windows, output windows, etc. the example is of netbeans or eclipse programing software java. It is always a pain to have low height and way huge empty white spaces around which are nice to be filled with fov of games and also for movies but coding and writing papers is too much wastage on left and right, if only 16:10 is there I could do these things way easier. Because even If I scale text to my readable comfort I end up at same real state I have with 16:9 without scaling so height is not sacrificed but I have double the trouble of reading and always moving my code up and down.

    I bought new laptop from Lenovo end up having va screen and I am not loving it. the purple and green trailing is insane sometimes, if it is tn and I am mistaken about it then worst tn ever. Specially if set on power save for graphics, for some reason the trailing becomes way more pronounced.

    When will self emissive screens come to all things!
    I thought LFC was in freesync 1 already! what’s up being mandatory now in freesync? is it about manufacturers not conforming before?

    February 14, 2017 at 11:40 am #41610

    Umbral
    Participant

    Intikhab, i feel your pain. 16:10 on 24″ is nice. Too bad there are no 16:10 in 27″ or 32″ in VA or IPS for that matter.

    27″ 1200p is theoretically a little more crisp than 27″ 1080p for coding, but both 1920 screens on 27″ have big characters – so easy reading, no scaling.

    The laptop screen might have factory problems or is just cheap Chinese low quality.

    If the monitor on your laptop has issues you should return it.
    I don’t know if Laptop manufacturers use VA on laptops. As far as i know most of them are TN or IPS.

    Self emmisive seems to be delayed, probably 1 more year for 2018.
    Samsung decided to milk even more current LCD technology and priced their QLED TVs close to OLED levels.

    Most manufacturers did not implement LFC in Freesync 1 !
    But it is mandatory for Freesync 2 to get certification. So yes, manufacturers did not conform before.

    About BenQ EW2770QZ, PCM2, i noticed they now call it Brightness Intelligence’ Plus, that also changes color temperature not only brightness.

    Probably a VA revision with this will come on their budget and higher end models too.

    April 5, 2017 at 7:08 pm #42423

    rvm1975
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    Asus ROG Swift PG27UQ and Acer Predator XB272-HDR will be based on same panel

    from announcement
    “For full-array backlight options we already know about the exciting 27″ flat panel (panel part now confirmed as M270QAN02.2), with an IPS-type AHVA panel, 3840 x 2160 resolution, 384-zone backlight, HDR support, 600 – 1000 cd/m2 brightness, 144Hz refresh rate etc as featured in the forthcoming Asus ROG Swift PG27UQ. The panel for that screen is due to go in to production in July 2017 so the Q3 expected release date for the monitor might well be possible. We will see. AUO are also now working on a 32″ HDR IPS-type AHVA panel, with similar features. A 3840 x 2160 ultra HD resolution, 384-zone backlight, HDR support, DCIP3>=95% and 400 – 800 cd/m2 brightness. This 32″ version is expected to go in to production in Q4 2017 so is some way behind the 27″ model. No confirmation on refresh rate of the 32″ panel, although we don’t believe it will be high refresh rate sadly as it is not listed in their gaming panels, whereas the 27″ version is.”

    Just wondering what is IPS-type AHVA?

    Also I am scared with lack of response times information. Possibly that means slow ones.

    April 5, 2017 at 8:38 pm #42424

    PCM2
    Keymaster

    AHVA (Advanced Hyper-Viewing Angle) is simply panel manufacturer AU Optronics version of IPS (In Plane Switching). It can’t simply be called ‘IPS’ as that is now a trademark of LG Display – hence it is referred to as ‘IPS-type’, as it is characteristically very similar.

    The lack of specified response times is of little relevance, since they are always extremely misleading anyway. Look to other high refresh rate AHVA models such as the ViewSonic XG2703-GS and AOC AG271QG for an idea of what to expect instead. Obviously it is a different panel and is a complete unknown at this stage, but looking at existing high refresh rate AHVA models provides a better indication than any specified response times would.

    April 12, 2017 at 7:46 am #42599

    Umbral
    Participant

    Auo & Samsung Roadmaps

    Extra Samsung

    A new update.
    Many expensive 4k models some with 384 dimming zones.

    Budget options from AUO a 27″ Curved VA 165HZ in July 2017 ( M270HVR01.0 )

    While 32″ VA 2560 x 1440 (Q3 2017) with 8 dimming zones, DCIP3 >=90%. 400 typical and 600 cd/m2 peak brightness probably more expensive.

    April 12, 2017 at 4:47 pm #42603

    PCM2
    Keymaster

    Certainly some exciting panels in development, I look forward to brining everyone some news (and reviews) of models using these. It’s certainly nice to seeing HDR-compatible displays that reach beyond just having a single backlight unit. I’d be interested to see the sort of effect that 8 dimming zones can provide, as I have a feeling the results won’t be as spectacular as the 384 dimming zone models. But I’ll have to see, it might work fine for a VA model if the static contrast is quite strong already.

    April 24, 2017 at 8:53 am #42701

    MuttZeppi
    Member

    Now that Dell released the UP3017Q do you think we will see more OLED monitors in 2017? Also, do you have any idea when the Samsung U32H850 will release and how much it might cost? A 4k VA sounds great tbh, and quantum dot is a huge plus.

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