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  • November 24, 2016 at 3:47 pm #40676

    PCM2
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    No, don’t you think you’d have heard about it on the website if I had? And of course we’ll investigate any potential colour or contrast changes that could be made to reduce apparent ghosting. But I’ve already discussed this in detail and shared my thoughts. I’m afraid it’s a characteristic of VA panels for some transitions. Most users actually won’t find that bothersome and will not be prepared to massively destroy contrast in order to reduce it. The Samsung is clearly superior in many respects to TN alternatives, but expecting it to be every bit as responsive is foolish. Some users are expecting too much and have been setting themselves up for disappointment. Welcome to the wonderful world of compromise known as an LCD monitor.

    November 26, 2016 at 8:57 am #40686

    Intikhab
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    Sorry about agitating you with it. I know it’s just I am considering about buying this model myself, only if the blur reduction here have no problems like that of others like double images in partial places of screen. If I have to reduce contrast and colours which can be still equal and or better than IPS to remove purple and green colour problem inherited to VA at this point , I am willing to go that route because that way I don’t have IPS glow hopefully no clouding in the unit gets in the way. And I am getting all the perks of everything, best blur reduction( even only at 144hz), optimal contrast and/or colour, best refresh rate, best resolution at 24inch.

    Does similar va panel have colour shift problem at angles same as tn or better but still worse than IPS?

    November 26, 2016 at 9:22 am #40687

    PCM2
    Keymaster

    The viewing angle characteristics off-angle are demonstrated in videos that accompany our reviews. You can see that they sit some way between TN and IPS in that respect. It depends what you define as ‘problem’ and ‘at angles’ as well, that’s very broad.

    November 26, 2016 at 9:48 pm #40693

    Umbral
    Participant

    Regarding CRT, i still have a Samsung SyncMaster 797DF which as far as i know was the last high end Samsung CRT in 17″ (16″ visible area) before they went full LCD.

    Like its bigger brother 997 DF (19″) -18″ real area, this CRT is a wonderful device.
    Max resolution on the 17″ (16″) is 2048 x 1536. That means a DPI of 160. For comparison 27″ 4k LCD is 163 PPI.

    The only strange thing is that i always prefer it at 100HZ despite the fact that it can go much higher (like ~140 HZ).

    Maybe 100hz is something that works well with how the brain – eye works. Anything under that and you start noticing the flicker, anything over it seems to make you tired too fast.

    The Dot Pitch / Pixel Pitch is at 0.2 mm, way better than many LCDs and the best from any CRT.
    100% glossy screen.

    Curious if BenQ fixed the input lag in the PD3200Q compared to the BL3200PT and if 16:10 monitors are still going to be alive in 2017.

    November 30, 2016 at 6:17 pm #40728

    jaysins
    Participant

    I was wondering if you have any intentions to review one of the Korean monitors. Particularly I am interested in the Microboard M340CLZ and how it compares to the CF791 from Samsung seeing how they are both Samsung panels being used. Great site and I always appreciate your in depth reviews!

    November 30, 2016 at 6:20 pm #40730

    PCM2
    Keymaster

    No plans I’m afraid. The Microboard M340CLZ isn’t actually available in the UK, where we’re based, and we’ve got more than enough to be reviewing from mainstream manufacturers. Although it uses a Samsung panel, it uses an older Samsung panel that Samsung themselves earmarked for the use of other manufacturers and never incorporated into any of their own products. That’s not to say it’s a bad panel, but certainly not the same one as used on the CF791.

    December 2, 2016 at 12:34 am #40737

    Xavier
    Participant

    I saw this piece of news today, what do you think about it? It’s probably only for professional use and not for the common monitor but it’s still interesting. It looks interesting on paper but maybe it has other drawbacks like increased response time.

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/10874/panasonic-develops-ips-panel-with-10000001-contrast-ratio-1000-nits-brightness

    December 2, 2016 at 3:53 am #40738

    Intikhab
    Participant

    Then Panasonic will be releasing this new tech to TV’s and pc monitor’s simultaneously quicker then the oled/qled’s. And I would buy their product if it have blur reduction included in monitors, I know they have blur reduction in TV’s right now, well they should have monitor with blur reduction of their own like Samsung and sell especially with this tech of 1,000,000 static contrast for ips I can live with ips glow by reducing the brightness just like my s24e390hl at 30 brightness :).

    December 2, 2016 at 8:13 am #40739

    PCM2
    Keymaster

    The monitors are going to be absurdly thick and expensive. It uses a specialised backlight and layering process which is not going to be practical or desireable for modern PCs or TVs. I very much doubt we’ll see it adopted beyond the ‘professional’ field, much like Sony’s OLED broadcasting monitors.

    December 2, 2016 at 12:47 pm #40740

    redskull
    Participant

    So I finally got my 4k monitor, its a tv actually, samsung 40″ curved. Its VA, 60hz with 4:4:4 chroma through hdmi. Been using it for almost 2 weeks now and man, it is HUGE. At times kinda overwhelming but in a good way. Lots of real-estate. Overall I’m quite happy with it!

    December 5, 2016 at 10:38 pm #40766

    Umbral
    Participant

    What is the difference between BenQ PD2700Q / PD3200Q (VA panels) and the new EW3270ZL ?

    Are the only differences the VESA + fully adjustable stand ?

    The most important question is do they have the same panel (same qualities) ?

    I remember BenQ said that the better viewing angles of the BL3200PT were because it is a higher quality panel (more domains we speculated at that moment) compared to the normal 1080p versions that they use in 24″/27″.

    If they use the same panel it would be fantastic. If they have good uniformity it would be great.

    If they fix the input lag (the signal processing part) to 1080p levels (2.85ms signal processing + 5.45ms response time) vs the BL3200PT (17.60ms signal processing +5.40ms response time) i would be interested to buy the EW3270ZL as my new monitor for work, editing photos/videos/music/websites and some gaming with a future AMD ZEN CPU + VEGA GPU.

    Who knows how good or bad or expensive the first Q-LED models will be.
    Moreover i don’t see any Quantum Dot REC. 2020 color space, soon in monitors.

    Samsung will bring 98% rec 2020 next year at CES for TVs, but when these will come to monitors … it just takes too much time to reach market and companies try to sell the same stuff over and over again without innovating.

    I don’t want to rush but i can’t wait forever.

    December 5, 2016 at 10:56 pm #40767

    PCM2
    Keymaster

    Known differences between the PD3200Q and EW3270ZL are noted in the respective news pieces. The same panel is used, I’ve confirmed this with BenQ already. And it is apparently a new revision/version of the panel used in the BL3200PT.

    December 9, 2016 at 4:28 pm #40796

    Umbral
    Participant

    Wouldn’t a monitor at 1440p such as EW3270ZL benefit from FreeSync even if the panel works at 60 Hz (harder to reach 60 fps at 1440p on future games compared to 1080p) ?

    December 9, 2016 at 4:48 pm #40797

    PCM2
    Keymaster

    Potentially, but it depends on the GPU. WQHD isn’t a particularly demanding resolution when you’ve got a 60Hz/60fps ceiling either way.

    December 10, 2016 at 1:29 pm #40800

    Umbral
    Participant

    If both PD3200Q and EW3270ZL have 10-bit color by way of 8-bit + FRC dithering wouldn’t that produce some kind of flickering (flashing) ? Do you have any idea how fast that flickering is, and wouldn’t that make the total flicker free idea a false one ?

    Is the FRC enabled all the time regardless of the content ? Could this FRC be responsible for the bigger signal processing on the 32″ 1440p panels ?

    Can we hope next year to see true 10 bit, rec. 2020 monitors in terms of color space from any company ? 🙂

    Frame Rate Control / Temporal Dithering – The other method is Frame-Rate-Control (FRC), also referred to sometimes as temporal dithering. This works by combining four colour frames as a sequence in time, resulting in perceived mixture. In basic terms, it involves flashing between two colour tones rapidly to give the impression of a third tone, not normally available in the palette. This allows a total of 16.2 reproducible million colours in 6-bit TN Film matrices. FRC is also used to enhance the colour depth of 8-bit panels, boosting them from their standard 16.7 million colours to 1.07 billion in the case of “10-bit” panels (8-bit + FRC). There are a number of FRC algorithms which vary in their effectiveness. Sometimes, a twinkling artefact can be seen, particularly in darker shades, which is a side affect of such technologies.

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