December 7, 2017 at 6:28 pm #45952
I got my RL24 probably about 2-3 years ago now, I trawled the internet and just found countless raving reviews about it. Don’t listen to any of them lol.
The 27 is far better than the 24, but instead of the price going down with age they have just rebranded them as Zowie and now charge even more than they used to.
I’ve had the ASUS a few weeks now, no complaints about it so far.December 7, 2017 at 6:38 pm #45953
Something else I forgot to mention.
On Xbox when you use RGB full something weird happens with the blacks and whites, the console picture configuration becomes useless because you can never see the picture to get the contrast right. (And for some reason the brightness one never works on a monitor but works on a TV). Apparently its never been right and its never been fixed so people advise to stay away from full and just use limited.
The Benq’s you could choose limited or full on the monitor but the Asus appears to be locked in full with no option to switch. Its not a massive issue but apparently full on Xbox just creates more black crush, I just use the Lagom site to tune it in and end up lowering the contrast a bit more to see the squares in the picture.
I might be completely wrong but alot of what I’ve seen posted in various places seems to make sense.December 11, 2017 at 9:43 pm #45998
so after researching for a while I just ended up being more confused .
So I have a budget of 200€. This monitor is gonna be mainly for the PS4 pro.
The most interesting one so far is the Asus VG245H.
I’m not sure on the TN Panel tho, it just seems like it has so many downsights next to being fast.
But an IPS Panel wouldn’t be in my price range I guess.
So does anyone have tips on what would be a proper option for me ?
I don’t really mind if it is 24 or 27 inch. It should be reasonable fast, and the screen shouldn’t look to crappy.
Thank you guysDecember 11, 2017 at 9:47 pm #46000
I can appreciate this thread is quite long and there is a bit of conflicing advise. To be completely clear:
– Most users will find models like the Samsung S24F350FH offers a very nice mixture of image quality an responsiveness at a very pleasing price.
– A minority of users will find the slight edge in pixel responsiveness (during some transitions, not all) on the ASUS VG245H to be advantageous. The image quality is simply not as good as the S24F350FH, but it’s one of the better-calibrated TN models out there which helps it have a reasonably rich image.
My advice would therefore be to try the S24F350FH, which you can get from somewhere with an excellent returns policy. With nothing to lose but a bit of time, if you dislike it. You will most likely enjoy the experience enough to keep it, however.December 13, 2017 at 11:32 am #46007
I bought the XB272 (https://www.acer.com/ac/en/GB/content/predator-model/UM.HX2EE.005) because I wanted to compare a (maybe) “good” TN Panel to the IPS of the XB271HU and the PLS of the S27E390H.
XB271HU (left) vs XB272 (right): https://imgur.com/a/wfgdq
According to me, the XB272 has better contrast, maybe because the panel of the XB271HU is yellowish. The same is for the S27E390H: The XB272 is for me just better because the E390H has dull colors. Also: the XB271HU was not so sharp as the E390H or the XB272!
But how can this be?! I always thought that the TN panel is never so good as the IPS/PLS. I compared the monitors for many hours and I tried to find the “better” colors calibration.
Also: Lag input difference between the XB272 and the E390H; the XB272 is clearly faster: https://youtu.be/L_0fzqth8Us & https://youtu.be/yZ26wVbPY9c (of course the XB272 was also barely faster than the XB271HU but I did not made a video of that.)
So, for now I will send the XB271HU back and I will decide if I want to keep the XB272 because I would like to try the Acer Predator Z271UV which is WQHD TN + Quantum Dot but it is not released yet.December 13, 2017 at 12:16 pm #46009
What happened to that promised donation, then? Just a quick observation regarding the ‘latency’. The pixel response times are clearly faster on TN models. That shouldn’t come as a surprise. You can’t SHOW felt latency on a video and it is a very misleading and poor way to accurately show visual differences. I think you’re trying to be far too objective in an unscientific way and are making your task more complicated than it needs to be. If you prefer one monitor over the other then keep it and try to enjoy it. You don’t need to try justifying exactly why you prefer it, just accept that you do and move on.December 13, 2017 at 12:18 pm #46010
… done 😉
What do you think of those results?
Today I will also receive the ASUS VC279H which, again, I will compare with the XB272.
To your observation: I’m trying to find a compromise between better colors and respond time for playing with PC and PS4, as you already know. So I’m asking which and how far a monitor is better than another in regards to this point. I have no prejudice in my approach; for I’m practical-rational. I thought that a IPS or WQHD panel were much better than a TN or Full-HD panel because “everyone says that”, but I now can honestly barely see a difference between the XB271HU (27′ IPS – WQHD) and now the XB272 (27′ TN – Full-HD). IF there is a difference in regards to the colors, than this is MAYBE SOMETIME in favor of the XB271HU (or S27E390H because this is darker), but for me this is in the praxis negligible since the XB272 is / feels subjectively faster then the XB271HU (and much faster than the S27E390H), is not yellowish, and I also can reach more FPS and I can use it for the PS4 not using another specifically monitor. For information: on the XB272 there is a specifically gamma option which makes the colors for me be much better: “gaming” which I selected instead of “2.2” or “2.5”.
Don’t know: Can a TN panel really reach a color quality as the IPS/PLS panel or I’m doing something wrong? I’m a bit skeptical about those results.
I will update this post later after I tried the VC279H.December 13, 2017 at 12:24 pm #46011
Appreciated ;). I edited my post before that but I have time to provide just a few further thoughts at the moment. Your feedback is appreciated, even if I don’t quite agree with your approach. There’s nothing wrong with a subjective assessment, but I want everybody reading this to be completely clear – you can not accurately judge a monitor’s performance based on photos or videos. The end result depends on far too many things, including the camera, software processing and ultimately your own monitor used to view the content.
If you really want to be objective and add weight to your subjective findings, I suggest buying a colorimeter and hooking the screen up to a PC. You’ll likely discover that the monitors you considered “washed out” are actually giving a more accurate shade representation overall. And you subjectively prefer the oversaturated shades and overblown gamma of the TN model. And it’s fine if you do, but I don’t want others to read this and think that the models you dismissed as “dull” are inferior on a technical level or to the trained eye. The fact you preferred setting gamma to “gaming” adds credence to that theory.December 13, 2017 at 4:14 pm #46016
I received the VC279H and comparing this to the XB272 I noticed that the VC279H is so dark that many details just get lost; I noticed this on the E390H too! I tried to change the brightness also in the Nvidia panel but it was not better / it was worst. I also noticed that the XB272 shows more “colors shades” – again, also comparing this to the E390H. On the other hand, the VC279H is subjectively very fast (I mean: good input lag) – definitely faster (= better input lag) than the E390H!
If you are interested, here is a review of the XB252 (25′ version of the XB272): http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2017/test-acer-xb252qbmiprzx.html
Now, I just should think about what to do:
– Give the XB271HU another chance, maybe with another panel which is not yellowish? I would like to understand, how it should be in regards to the panel “better” than the XB272 and how “better” is WQHD vs Full-HD. Maybe can someone answer this last question about the resolution?
– Keep the XB272?
– Wait for the Z271UV (27′ WQHD TN + Quantum Dot)?
Oh lord 🙁December 13, 2017 at 4:47 pm #46017
Sorry to be rude and butt in in this thread, but I have been lurking here and on a few other threads with interest. I’m a keen photographer and work at a design firm as a day job. But my son is into console gaming so I’m looking for inspiration.
As somebody who is into colours looking “proper” in a big way, I have been sitting here cringing at some of what I’ve been reading. I think PCM has been too polite in saying you prefer colours to be represented a certain way. In my world colours are either “right” or they are “wrong”. The question was asked before about whether TN monitors could ever match the colour quality of IPS monitors. The firm answer to that is NO. And I speak from torturous experience. Just open paint and fullscreen it with a colour of your choice (some show this better than others). Or go to http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php#angle_purple for some examples. On TN models the shades change massively at the top compared to bottom of the screen and also if you move your head. For those who live for accurate colours it’s a nightmare. You can’t calibrate your way out of it as well.
But I am going off on a tangent there. It sounds like you enjoy colours to look heavily saturated and… Improper. You see, my son is a bit like this. He loves gaming on some of my Adobe gamut monitors because they make everything look like a cartoon. Areas of grass look like they’re irradiated, people look badly sunburnt and the sky looks simply unreal. Some of the TN monitors I’ve used (and some IPS monitors) have been so badly calibrated that they sort of have a similar thing going on. But it’s even worse because the shades are all crammed up into a small gamut. PCM explains this VERY well in his reviews of those sorts of monitors. See https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/dell-up2716d/ for example. I do get this to an extent, the liking of the more saturated and “popping” shades in games. But if you are after that kind of look I would definitely recommend a monitor with a good colour gamut, not one that looks that way just because it has crud calibration.December 13, 2017 at 6:09 pm #46018
I appreciate your input, Demonize. It isn’t rude at all – discussion is exactly what the ‘discussion forum’ is for. 😀
I agree with everything you’ve said, as well. So coming back to phie and his situation… According to the PRAD review of the VC279H, the gamma handling is absolutely rubbish. That’s why you’re seeing problems with apparent shade variety and things looking ‘too dark’. The best way of dealing with that would be a colorimeter, but if you need to just make tweaks in the Nvidia Control Panel then increase the gamma value (which will decrease actual average gamma). Do not touch the digital brightness slider, that just messes up contrast. With regards to responsiveness, I’ve received enough feedback on that to suggest that it’s really very well tuned in terms of pixel overdrive. The S24E390HL, by comparison, has some ‘slacker’ transitions where some darker shades are involved. The VC279H isn’t perfect and isn’t up to TN levels, but it seems to handle darker transitions nicely and does so without adding noticeable overshoot. So that’s good. As for signal delay, it’s negligible on the S24E390HL so that aspect of input lag is very unlikely to be a differentiator between that model and the VC279H. Note that a lower pixel density can affect perceived latency, because a given input translates to a larger physical movement on the screen.
As I’ve said before and to echo what Demonize has said, I absolutely agree that a wide colour gamut should be a key consideration for you. So the Z271UV could be an interesting choice for sure. With respect to WQHD vs. Full HD, I don’t understand the logic of asking that question given that you’ve seen and experienced both options yourself.December 14, 2017 at 6:35 am #46020
Thank you for the explanations!
As PCM2 pointed it: you are not rude at all :).
You (PCM2 and Demonize) convinced me about the problems with the TN panel compared to the IPS panel: I notice a very bad angle view on the screen as the image became immediately yellow if I don’t look the screen straight and I noticed a similarly problem at the top and the bottom of the screen; further, yesterday I played a game for a long session (which I did not tested before) and I gradual noticed that something in the image was “wrong” and I really did not liked it: it was the oversaturated image!
I bought a second exemplar of the XB271HU on Amazon (yep, through your link, PCM2 😉 ) and I will definitely keep this monitor for PC gaming and the E390 for the ps4.December 14, 2017 at 7:01 am #46021
Excellent, I’m glad we could help. And your continued support is very much appreciated. 🙂December 14, 2017 at 7:09 am #46022
You’re welcome! …and sorry if I was so insistent and had so much questions, it is just that I wanted self to comprehend the facts.December 16, 2017 at 3:03 pm #46075
Do you have any input on the RGB Full/Limited issue on the Xbox One?
I found 2 different PC calibrated settings for the Asus and picked my preferences but changing the Xbox to RGB PC/Full makes it so the in built calibration on contrast doesn’t work, it works on limited but the Asus only works in Full.
The default contrast on the Asus is 80 and the calibrations both tweak it down to 69-73 (But this is obviously calibrated on a PC), but on the Xbox this still looks off and I’ve got it way lower.
Reading through many threads its the consensus that PC RGB on Xbox is broken and just avoid it and use limited, which you can’t if you’re using a monitor that only outputs full. Some say the Xbox runs a completely cocked up gamma curve standard and others say the RGB issue is fixed now.
These websites say the calibrated settings should run close to correct on console also, but if the gamma curve and black/white levels go haywire when using Full on the Xbox this isn’t going to be the case! lol
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