July 23, 2017 at 7:49 pm #44177
I’m currently torn between two monitors around the 400 euro price class. The AOC U3277FWQ which i assume is identical to the AOC U3277PWQU except for the USB hub and apparently they have different panel types aswell, the FWQ has a AMVA panel and the PWQU has a AAS panel. I like the high contrast ratio that a VA panel offers, the only things that frightens me abit is the quite high input lag and the size of 31.5 inches.
The other monitor im currently looking at is the LG 27UD58-B, hard to find good reviews of this monitor, but from a simple Google search i found a review written in dutch. Apparently it’s a solid IPS 4K monitor, good contrast ratio for an IPS panel and relatively low input lag. However i guess IPS glow and the quite high color gamut error intervall keeps me from confidently picking this monitor.
As for what im mainly going to do on this monitor, 4K gaming basically and movies/tv series, maybe some programming but next to non video/picture editing. I have a relatively good PC atm (GTX 1070, I7 4770k, 16GB ram, etc…), and a PS4 Pro. I have a Benq XL2411 monitor, and what disturbs me the most is actually the poor contrast ratio, especially on the PS4 Pro (FULL RGB, range) blacks are really black and i can’t spot any details at all.
If you have any other 4K monitor at the same price range as above you’d like to recommened instead i’ll gladly appreciate that 🙂July 23, 2017 at 7:54 pm #44179
The AOC U3277FWQ is indeed exactly the same as the U3277PWQU. They both use exactly the same AAS panel, but they’re usually referred to as VA or AMVA simply because it is more widely recognised. The LG 27UD58 is very similar to the 27UD68, but uses a slightly older variant of the panel with thicker bezels. The 27UD68 is widely praised on this website, it has been in the past, so given performance is similar it’s probably a fairly solid choice.
Given what you’ve said about poor contrast disturbing you the most and the fact you watch movies and TV series as well as gaming and a bit of text-based work (but not photo editing etc.), I would probably consider the VA route to be best for you. So the AOC models would certainly be the key options really. Just be aware that having good contrast does not automatically mean ‘good detail in dark areas’. That is also dependent on gamma behaviour – refer to the AOC U3277PWQU review and references to ‘black crush’.August 25, 2017 at 4:09 pm #44454
Just wondering if anyone has bought the Acer R271bmid and what they thought of it. I’m looking to use it for general PC use as well as console gaming. It seems to tick all the boxes (1080p, 60hz, IPS, low input lag) but was wondering if there is anything else I should be looking out for or if there are any other monitors that are better.
I noticed there are a few monitors in the recommendations that can be used for console gaming and was wondering how this monitor stacks up against them.
Any help would be much appreciatedAugust 25, 2017 at 4:24 pm #44456
I don’t have any personal experience with the Acer R271(bmid), although from a little user feedback I’ve received and considerable experience with models using similar (LG AH-IPS) panels, I can give a fair idea of what to expect. Overall, it should be a solid console gaming monitor. It ticks the boxes you’re looking for – I don’t have any measurements for things like input lag, but the user who gave me some feedback about it said he was sensitive to input lag and found it absolutely fine. Furthermore, Full HD 60Hz models these days very rarely have problems with input lag and I doubt this would be an exception. The user also stated he was entirely satisfied with the pixel responsiveness, he was upgrading from an old Dell U2312HM and found it a nice upgrade in all respects including pixel responsiveness. He found the image vivid as well, more so than on his older Dell. He did report a little backlight bleed and the usual ‘IPS glow’, but the former is something that can and in many cases will affect all models like this. The latter is completely inescapable and does not vary between units.
The reasons I recommend the Samsung SE390 over AH-IPS models:
– Slightly less grainy screen surface. Not a huge difference and modern AH-IPS models are decent in this regard anyway, but for me the less grainy the better in that respect.
– Experience – a model I know has good ‘out of the box’ colour performance and strong responsiveness even at 75Hz.
– Users generally find the ‘PLS glow’ somewhat less obtrusive (darker coloured) than ‘IPS glow’ on the Full HD models. Although this is an individual thing and not everyone would agree. Seems to be more true if you compare at a relatively low brightness.
– I fully appreciate the style is not to everyone’s taste – and the Acer R271bmid is rather sleek in comparison.
The Samsung C27F591 is an altogether different beast, with a VA rather than IPS-type panel. I’d recommend reading the review (of course) and also a bit of this thread – perhaps watch the video in my first reply on that thread. In fact I’ll post that below for convenience:
The colour gamut of the C27F591 invites a bit of extra vibrancy compared to the likes of the R271 and contrast is significantly stronger. You don’t get ‘IPS glow’, you’re less likely to get problematic backlight bleed and darker shades appear deeper with bright shades standing out very nicely. Some shades, particularly in the centre of the screen, will certainly ‘pop’ more on the CF591. This is especially true where lighter shades are cast against darker backgrounds – the monitor is really impressive in that respect. Colours are more consistent (‘rich throughout the screen’) on IPS-type models like the Acer and Samsung SE390, though, so it isn’t the case that the CF591 is just ‘more vibrant’ and that’s it. As explored in depth in the review, the CF591 and all VA models do have some pixel responsiveness issues that modern IPS-type models like the Acer do not, too.August 25, 2017 at 5:22 pm #44457
Fantastic, thanks very much for the reply. I’m still unsure as to what are the advantages and disadvantages of IPS panels compared to VA panels. I thought IPS/PLS panels were better overall than VA panels but I’m guessing it varies from one monitor to another?August 25, 2017 at 5:46 pm #44458
It does vary between models, but there are certain characteristics that they all share and can be compared by. Did you not watch the video and follow through to the thread I linked to? These characteristics are explored in quite some detail in the CF591 review as well.August 25, 2017 at 7:22 pm #44460
Brilliant vid and reviews. I’m currently leaning towards the C27F591. I’ve noticed that the FreeSync is available over HDMI so I’m wondering if that would work with a PS4?August 25, 2017 at 7:32 pm #44461
The Xbox One X supports FreeSync, no other console (including the PS4) supports it. Even so, I think there’s a lot to like about the C27F591 from a console gaming perspective.August 25, 2017 at 7:50 pm #44459
I’m wanting to get a new monitor to take full advantage of the Xbox one x. Would ideally like 4k uhd hdr and freesync. Is there anything you would recommend or should I wait?August 25, 2017 at 7:52 pm #44463
I’d advise waiting. HDR-capable monitors are very much in their infancy. The range, price and the actual implementation should all improve for future releases. IFA is also just a week away, you might get a taste of the sort of things to expect there even for models not planned for release until 2018.August 31, 2017 at 8:00 pm #44491
I’ve been considering buying the Samsung S24E390HL which you guys have on your recommendations list but I have just come across the Dell S2718H which has HDR capabilities. The primary use would be console gaming and I currently have an Xbox one S and PS4. I’ve read the review on this site for the S24E390HL but does anyone have any experience or an opinion on the S2718H? I’ve seen some decent reviews online but I am wary that HDR can be labelled on monitors as a marketing ploy and not truly represented when put to the test.
Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks.August 31, 2017 at 8:06 pm #44496
The Dell S2718H (which is just like the ‘NX’ models with slightly different ports etc.) could well be a decent choice, but not for its HDR capability. Check out the relevant section of our U2518D review for more information of what to expect. Granted some of the limitations are alleviated by better support on the games consoles (vs. the current PC situation), but the implementation itself is lacklustre. It is nothing more than a glorified dynamic contrast section – it simply isn’t true HDR, the monitor just doesn’t have those capabilities.
Even without testing the S2718H you can see that a key difference, aside from the snazzy aesthetics, would be the low haze (essentially glossy) screen surface as noted in our news piece. Provided your lighting is reasonably well controlled this could be advantageous in terms of the ‘pop’ to the image and potential clarity. Although the pixel density difference could offset the ‘clarity’ aspect somewhat. Sorry I couldn’t provide more insight, Dell haven’t been able to provide us a review sample of that model or smaller variants of it. If you did decide to buy it, your feedback would be most welcome.August 31, 2017 at 8:36 pm #44497
Thanks for replying so quickly! I did assume that with the price tag, the S2718H couldn’t be ‘true’ HDR. I had actually read the U2518D review so that makes more sense now. I will probably stick to my guns and get the S24E390HL for my console gaming. However, I will probably need another monitor for general use, mostly streaming movies and TV. Do you think that the S2718H could represent good value for money for this? The more shopping around and review reading I do, the further away from a decision I get!August 31, 2017 at 10:11 pm #44498
Yeah, that sounds like a good plan. The real unknown with the S2718H would be responsiveness, at least for gaming. Contrast is very likely decent and colour reproduction pleasing. But for general purpose and TV usage responsiveness will be more than good enough anyway, I have no doubt about that.September 10, 2017 at 5:12 pm #44561
Hi! A am about to buy a monitor which I will use as an external display for my laptop, mainly for some studies’ work, media consumption (movies, YT), and for future console gaming, because I want to buy a PS4 Pro in the near future. My vision of what I want to have? IPS panel for good color reproduction, 24 inches, Full HD resolution and decent enough input lag for games. Why not better specs? I don’t want to spend to much money on this, and I prefer hugely good 1080p monitor rather that weak 2K/4K one. I don’t need huge variety of ports or adjustability options. Here is what I found and deeply checked when it comes to reviews (I’m from Poland, so I am giving polish prices):
These are my favourites, but as you can see they are on the opposite sides of my budget which I’m planning to spend. For sure (or I think so at least ;)) Dell is the better one. Beautiful, well crafted, beautiful display, solid brand. But it is much more expensive than weaker, but solid when it comes to pure image quality AOC model. Here is when my question comes – is paying more for Dell worth it? Not for the ports and adjustability, cause I will make small use of them, but for the quality of the panel and bigger insurance that everything will be good and solid for couple of years thanks to the more premium brand with good record?
And can you tell me something about some middle-of-the-road options like these:
LG 24MP88HV – 216$
Philips 243S7EH – 216$
iiyama XU2492HSU – 216$
I love this portal because of the deep analysis of every tested monitor and only thing I am missing is more models being reviewed, cause you guys are doing it best. That’s why I am asking here, I would be very happy to receive an answer. Regards!
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