September 15, 2014 at 7:46 pm #32882
I stumbled across this website searching for details about Asus vx229h and found another Samsung s24d390hl for my needs. As these are the only ips panels monitor I could find in my area Pakistan Lahore, for lowest prices even compared to dell ultra sharp series . So I have found that both use 6 bit + afrc for 8bit colours but which have less dithering for 6+ hours usage to reduce eye strain and problems as I game to much and do coding too ,cs student here. And how much can I overclock the refresh rate of them both as asus is 75hz according to manual and 60hz on Samsung model can I get 120hz or 96hz.
I already have Samsung bx2250 monitor, how much is the improvement over this compared to above both mention monitors, I overclocked it to 75hz, after I read around for few days just now I have this monitor since 2010 should have read sooner lol, but can’t check frame skipping as It does same in 60 hz test and I think it is skipping in 60hz lol so in 75hz but better on eyes to look at, can anyone tell me good ways to check frame skipping I mean simple as I don’t know the terms here.
Using faster response time with full magic colour with intel hd4000 intel gpu 3570k overclocked lol it’s gpu to 1300 and 4.2ghz cpu. waiting to buy gpu as 900 NVidia series launch to know which to buy older 700 series now or wait 5~6 more months to wait for it as they don’t come until months later here in pakistan.September 15, 2014 at 7:51 pm #32883
Forgot to ask which have better scaling in windows, currently using 140% scaling in windows I tried 125% but for me still small things. I also have lazy eye so having better monitor is good for my eyes and viewing angles is must as I discovered with my earlier monitor is pain to my eyes shifting colours and blinking colours when I see away or reading text and see black lines in my vision.September 15, 2014 at 8:39 pm #32884
Hi Intikhab and welcome,
The S24D390HL is an excellent monitor regardless of price, in my opinion. The colour setup, responsiveness and screen surface is actually better than the ASUS VX229H. I still feel the VX229H is a good monitor, but would only generally recommend considering this if it is significantly cheaper for you. If you find the BX2250 a little difficult to see using its native settings and prefer scaling things up then that’s even more reason to go for the larger screen!
The flicker-free backlight, better luminance adjustment range and generally much nicer image should make the S24D390HL much more comfortable on the eyes than your current Samsung. I should also note that it can comfortably run at up to 76Hz if you like, probably beyond that to be honest but I didn’t test that. The ASUS manual only mentions that it can be run at up to 75Hz by default (i.e. with no custom resolutions or ‘overclocking’) at resolutions that are lower than native. It’s only 60Hz at 1920 x 1080 like the Samsung, but can likely be set to 72Hz+ without skipping frames as well.September 15, 2014 at 9:07 pm #32886
vx229h I am getting for approximately 175 us dollar using google to convert and s24d390hl is 222 us dollars so price is fair enough because here tn panels sell for these prices and/or lower prices, in same sizes but still tn without 120/144hz.
To give example AOC E2461FWH is around 205 us dollars, AOC E970SW is 94 dollars, Dell E2414H is around 195 dollars, heck even samsung S24D300HS/S24D300HS sells for 205 dollars price . The moment size is 20 or less the goes around 118 dollars going up 20 or more price is 200+ dollars with 27 starting at 331 dollars.
Then I am most likely going to buy s24d390hl and will be overclocking to see limits on it will post when I get this or read below and what about colours compared to previous monitor bx2250 magic colour full/intelligent options compares, I just don’t want to see no difference in colours and just bad feeling that colour never got improved.
One more thing quantum dot is around corner should I wait or get this monitor now as even quantum dot monitor launches tomorrow I will likely get it half year late? The reason for this question is that I want best image quality, response and real like colour even all absurd colour along it the eye can see to play and work around but no heavy editing if so light editing never professional and also my eye get less strain. I know I know my demands are ridiculous but still what are your opinions what is real best case close to it for me?September 15, 2014 at 9:50 pm #32888
I look forward to your feedback 🙂 . Don’t worry about backlightless quantum dot displays slipping out in the near future, they’re still some way off. Quantum dot films (QDEF) I expect to see in some models in the not too distant future as an alternative to colour gamut enhancements from traditional backlights (GB-LED etc.). This is definitely where things are headed in the future. For now though, actually having this colour gamut is one thing, software support for it is another. It will be a long time before this technology is used in models which are similar in price to the ones you’re considering as well. I really wouldn’t worry about it.September 15, 2014 at 10:30 pm #32889
okay I will not be worrying about it but for the sake of discussion will quantum dots help in reducing cost for colour reproduction, and backlighting hardware to put in reducing power consumption?. And also will they be able to improve refresh rate and response time better for ips or pls or va? I believe they will as they are better able to control them in all those respects than current technology allows even 144hz va is first of it’s kind it might have something like this in it or just the regular va improvements?September 16, 2014 at 7:55 am #32891
It depends what technology you’re referring to, specifically. The ultimate goal is to use quantum dots as the pixels themselves, which could bring similar benefits to the table as OLED. The idea is that quantum dots are somewhat more stable and perhaps more suitable for use as a PC display. Yes it would bring improved response times, contrast and colour reproduction. But the technology still requires a lot of development and is several years off really.
If you’re referring to using quantum dots as a backlight (QDEF), which is a nearer-term goal, then the only advantage there is enhanced colour gamut and potentially better uniformity. The characteristics of the LCD panel itself are exactly the same as the backlight has nothing to do with that! When it’s bought to market it should be cost-neutral in that the film itself is somewhat expensive but replaces several backlight elements of similar cost. Energy efficiency is unknown at this stage as is the actual colour gamut that will be achieved – initially I expect it to be somewhat comparable to current GB-LED designs, though.
I’m not sure if it will feature in your local market but if you’re really interested in affordable models with broad colour gamuts then the BenQ EZ2450L is the one to wait for in the near future.September 16, 2014 at 5:47 pm #32895
I am actually referring to actual quantum dot pixels rather than qdef I just wanted it to be released yesterday although I know how gruesomely painful slow process it is to improve even few percent of any parameter in technology specially when cost is involved on large scale consumers unless returns are high as well upon doing so.
Here is a example, Solar panels, space station have 40+% efficient solar panels but we only see max 25% efficient solar panels for commercial than it goes down hill for normal home owners.
Same here first the doctors will get the quantum pixels for research purposes which they have been looking for better dyes and colour targets to check variations from temp to colour of human organs for diagnoses and better marking for region to cut out when operating risky things even reattaching limbs will be easier due to better colour to differentiate the tissues and micro fibres and nerves under scope.
Been reading alot lately lol on anything interesting I can find 🙂September 17, 2014 at 7:39 am #32897
I’ve been looking to buy a new monitors for a few days now. I’m currently using an old Acer monitor from 2006 ( AL1916W ) that I’ll wish to use as my second monitor.
I’m a huge gamer and also learning 3D modeling so my main use would be for gaming (mostly FPS & RPG and not much competitive gaming), watching movies, 3D modeling and photoshop.
I’m more leaning towards an IPS monitor for now, then maybe, seeing how it goes with the IPS, use it as a second monitor and buy a gaming monitor (Asus VG248QE) for my main screen. But what IPS monitor should I get ? I have a hard time choosing. I live in France and my budget is around 250€.
The ideal screen size be 24 inch as for the resolution 1920 x 1080, i’m running an Asus GTX 670.
One monitor that has caught my attention, depending on its price when it will be on the market, is this one, EZ2450L, due to its lower reponse time of 4ms, all the other IPS monitors that i’ve seen are usually 5ms ( Does that 1ms difference really matter or not ? )
Then theres the ASUS 23.8″ VN248H or ASUS 23″ LED – Designo MX239H.
Last thing, how does AMVA+ compare to IPS ? The Iiyama 24″ LED ProLite XB2483HSU-B1 monitor might also be interesting for the same price range as above.September 17, 2014 at 8:47 am #32898
Hi Cerberus and welcome,
Firstly to address some of your questions and hopefully narrow things down a bit. You should ignore specified response times on monitors. They are cherry-picked values for some of the fastest grey to grey transitions that occur on the monitor and don’t give you an accurate representation of what to expect ‘in the real world’. AMVA+ models are the sneakiest in that respect as they often have quoted response times of 4ms or so – except transitions between some shades actually occur 5-10 times as slowly (20-40ms). If you’re interested in some more technical reading on this topic I’d recommend this article.
AMVA+ also can’t offer the same level of colour consistency as IPS, so essentially don’t give you colours that are as accurate. This is made worse by the fact that they tend to be more poorly configured ‘out of the box’ compared to modern IPS panels. For further thoughts on these differences I’d recommend taking a look at this thread.
As for the options you’re looking at, they both very similar. Due to its design the VN248H is perhaps the better of the two screens as it tends to have better uniformity. As mentioned here, though, I don’t think too highly of the quality control on these relatively cheap ASUS models in general. Furthermore neither model is configured as well out of the box as some models from competing manufacturers when it comes to colour accuracy. If you don’t plan on using a colorimeter or other hardware calibration device, this is an issue for your modelling and photoshop uses.
I’d consider the Samsung S24D390HL as an alternative. I know it’s currently out of stock on Amazon themselves in France, who we link to. I’m certainly not trying to say the VN248H is a bad monitor, but it isn’t configured as well as the Samsung and doesn’t offer a flicker-free backlight so you may not find it quite as comfortable for viewing over prolonged periods.
The EZ2450L is certainly an interesting model, but it depends on the colour space you want to use for your modelling and photoshop work really. At the moment ‘sRGB’ is the standard colour space. Whilst I have no doubt things will shift in the future, at the moment it is a limit of most displays. You don’t want to be producing models or photographs in glorious wide colour gamuts if they’re then going to be viewed by other people with sRGB displays or the colours won’t be accurate.September 17, 2014 at 9:06 am #32901
I hope it’s not too inconvenient, but I moved your post to here Cerberus. The thread you posted in was of course appropriate as it was completely on topic, but I’d like to get this thread to grow a bit instead. The other one is a bit long and it’s getting confusing for people I feel. 🙂September 18, 2014 at 8:04 pm #32919
All fine by me and thanks for the quick answer! 🙂
I took a look at the Samsung S24D390HL but the design isn’t very appealing (mostly the bezels), how would it compare to the S24D590PL ?
What other 24″ higher end / higher priced IPS monitor would you recomend ?
Oh and also I just realized the monitor i’m running right now ( AL1916W) is actually 16:10, maybe I should go with a 16:10 monitor instead of a 16:9 ? I’m quite unsure.September 18, 2014 at 10:08 pm #32920
Yes it is similar. There are some slight differences in colour setup and potential for uniformity issues due to design on the SD590 but nothing major. I consider it a very good monitor as well.
I think you should find adapting to 16:9 fine. You’ll get a greater number of pixels and more vertical and horizontal space than on your current monitor anyway.September 18, 2014 at 11:16 pm #32925
Alright, thank you! I’ll give it some thought.October 1, 2014 at 6:02 am #32964
How would a 27″ 2560×1440 + the monitor I have now as second display work out ? I’m afraid the vram of my gtx 670 ( 2 gb) may not be enough. If I would be able to run that setup without any problems, I will consider getting the Tempest X270OC.
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