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KSF phosphors will always introduce issues regardless of whether ULMB 2 is used or not. But strobe crosstalk in general is always expected to be minimised with ULMB 2. You may not be sensitive to the issues caused by KSF phosphors as not everyone is, though I certainly am. The gold standard would really be ULMB 2 without KSF phosphors. Usually with Nvidia G-SYNC models it will be obvious whether KSF phosphors because one of the following applies:

1) It’s a standard gamut monitor (one targeting sRGB or if specified, with <86% DCI-P3 coverage as a rough guide).
2) It uses Quantum Dots to achieve a wide gamut and that is usually advertised.
3) It uses KSF phosphors to achieve a wide gamut.

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The BenQ ZOWIE XL2586X and XL2546X feature the company’s third generation ‘DyAc’ technology (DyAc 2 – successor to ‘DyAc +’). BenQ is very coy on this technology and go well short of providing any technical details, but state it includes “dual backlight technology”. Based on this and marketing videos it appears to minimise strobe backlight, including just above centre, due to having more precise control of the strobe.

[Intikhab]

Thanks will look into it as well. Happy new year!

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Happy New Year!

[Intikhab]

I have returned after a while now. I thought I might find some monitors in my market without KSF phosphorus deposits but unfortunately not. BenQ have any decent IPS monitors with that 3rd gen blur reduction?

It’s the waiting game for me when new stuff releases and I try to find them if any trickle of it reached my market or not. The monitors with KSF are in the market and so are the Benq TN’s but nothing of the other IPS monitors that are easy to even spot. Sometimes people just use new labels on older products online and when I go there and try to dig in the specs don’t match to new product and turns out older monitors posted as new.

Oh and ASUS ROG Swift PG27AQN 360Hz even costs here 1304 US dollars so not buying that. My whole pc including the new RTX 4070 costed me around 1500 US dollar equivalent already and even then my 13700k turned out to be dying due to how intel made the microcode for it!

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BenQ DyAc technologies are exclusive to their TN models. Motion blur reduction does make its way to their IPS models, but if you consider higher resolution options most of them feature KSF phosphors. They’re moving more of their attention into OLED now, as are many other manufacturers – and doing away with ‘BFI’ or similar technologies in the process. You could perhaps consider an OLED option if you’re able to sustain good high frame rates as the motion clarity is still very strong. And without any strobe crosstalk or additional artifacts to consider.

MSI has a few ‘QD’ options – their MPG 274URF QD has a pretty good ‘MPRT’ strobe backlight implementation and they have some QHD alternatives such as the MAG 274QRF QD E2 we’ll shortly be looking at.

[Intikhab]

OLED is going to be nightmare to handle in my heat over time. It will degrade quicker than anything to be honest.

Not to mention the voltage fluctuations from the grid.

Found one online vendor for MPG 274URF QD but it’s costing me same as ASUS ROG Swift PG27AQN 1304 US dollars.

I guess waiting for new ones or finding some older model which is cheaper than those should help.

[Intikhab]

Greetings of Peace,

This is going to be a bit of a hassle I am going to ask you. Since blur reductions are varied from company to company on implementation and usually on white paper what they are implementing since no copy right issues to each other.

Which usually are better implemented company wise on retail products on average not talking about golden samples, the average. And suppose I buy soemthing which have elmb or something like that but I want to limit it to let’s say 100 fps does the blur reduction work great still on that limited fps since I only have RTX 4070 super with 17 13700k and usually at 27 or 30(does it have more colour fringing or screen door effects at greater than 27) inch I want to limit my monitors to 1440p for gaming. If I go for 4k at 27 or 30 inch which ever is better to buy in terms of cost or implementation of it.

I am trying to find all monitors greater than 160hz in my market with reasonable prices. I will post them all in next post.

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As this thread highlights ULMB (rare now due to scarcity of G-SYNC models) and BenQ solutions tend to be quite well implemented. For other manufacturers such as AOC and MSI, they have some good implementations but it can be pretty hit and miss. Even when you remove KSF phosphors from the equation.

As noted when we cover them in our reviews and pointed out in our article covering the topic, it’s important that the frame rate matches the refresh rate exactly (it can exceed it if the frame rate is extremely high). That’s why strobe backlight settings with a sync element can be very useful. They generally work down to ~80Hz but there’s some variation between models. Some solutions that only support static refresh rates can be set to 100Hz (not always) but rarely below that.

[Intikhab]

Is anyone of them okayish in your eyes? And which ones don’t have KSF phosphors in them? Also if I post anything other than blur reduction without VRR OR IPS models OR any ultra wide models let me know I don’t want those XD

ASUS TUF VG27AQM1A 2K, 260Hz = 360 euroes roughly
Asus Rog Strix XG27AQMR 300Hz 2K 1440p = 731 euroes roughly
ASUS TUF VG27AQ3A 27 QHD 180hz Fast IPS = 315 euroes roughly
BenQ EX2710S 27″ MOBIUZ 165Hz IPS HDR10 – 1ms MPRT Gaming Monitor = 265 euroes roughly (I have vrr with blur reduction?)

I just want to find monitors with blur reduction and VRR combined now.

It’s easy for me to sport ELMB on ASUS monitors but MPRT Sync on MSI and Aim Stabliser Sync on GIGAByte is awful to find, I saw some monitors with those but they never specify if they have sync with blur reduction or not. If you give some quick info how to find that info since people are not posting it that info on their selling websites and it’s very hard to find on their own monitor pages as well. They show so much advertising bullshit but those specs are left out to guess and lost in too much of them in these monitors.

If you can help me understand how to look out for those I can find more monitors to ask you about them

Since I have to change monitor now. And can’t wait for new pulsar to show up year or years later since it’s already too much waiting on my part, it’s been years since I have been wanting a anti blur reduction monitor but you know FPS being constant was the issue at least these ones might mitigate that issue with vrr on at same time and now I have RTX 4070 super. Quality of Blur reducution well I might turn it off in favour of 120hz if they are too bad to my eyes but I will most likely enjoy it since I love CRT XD. I miss CRT monitors for since 2010!! even from 2008 one was giving purple colours at edges :’)

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An LCD monitor these days is pretty much always going to be using KSF phosphors unless it uses a QD backlight solution or has a standard colour gamut (~100-110% or less). So the only model you’ve listed that avoids that (due to being standard gamut) is the EX2710S. On the original EX2710 I reviewed you couldn’t use Blur Reduction and VRR simultaneously and based on the ‘S’ model user manual this seems to be the case still.

[Intikhab]

Dang it.

QD backlights that I have been able to find are mostly that I have seen are on OLED’s now. And they cost a pretty penny too around 1180 euroes for me That msi model that you mentioned before few places have it but it costs that much. Is it worth it in your eyes for that price?. What is their life expectancy for hot rooms like 35 C in summers? I might wait few months to get it then if it’s worth it?

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I don’t really know your market or economic situation so I can’t answer that. It’s clearly much more than it should cost, but it could still be the most viable option. I don’t see why a room that’s sometimes 35°C would be problematic for a monitor like that.

[Intikhab]

I have found website where they have posted MSI MAG series monitors. Which of them have MPRT Sync to them? I can’t find it on their website based info for those monitors heck I tried looking at the one you mentioned and at their website no freaking mention of MPRT Sync at all when looking at montior specs!

This is mind boggling since that’s the selling point of those monitors right?

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It’s a selling point, but a pretty minor one. Strobe backlights in general are a niche feature that don’t appeal to the majority. Either way, they really should make it clear which models have the feature. You’d have to look at the manual of individual models and see if “MPRT Sync” is mentioned. Because they do actually have good thorough manuals which go through the entire menu system and this will be mentioned if it’s there. At least they make it obvious which models have QD backlights, as they have “QD” at the end. 😉

[Intikhab]

I tried to find out the hey stacks of hay stacks of out of stock etc stuff from websites.

I found some. I don’t know which ones might be good buy since I am unsure about their specs since most models are not standard same as EU or US
Let me know if any are worth it, I hope they have no KSF phosphors in these ones. At least one of them be good model for blur reduction + VRR combined!

MSI G321Q eSport 32″ WQHD 170Hz IPS = 403 euroes roughly
MSI MAG 325CQRF-QD 170hz 2K = 426 euroes roughly

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The G321Q advertises a “wide gamut” and is specified at 93% DCI-P3 (123% sRGB) = KSF phosphors. The MAG 325CQRF-QD has a QD LED backlight (yay) and offers MPRT but not MPRT Sync. Even though it’s a “Rapid VA” panel, they’re typically much weaker than IPS models when it comes to pixel responses and usually incapable of putting a strobe backlight setting to good use due to these weaknesses. Significant strobe crosstalk can be expected – whether that’s an issue is subjective, but I certainly wouldn’t expect anything approaching a ‘clean’ strobe backlight performance from them.

[Intikhab]

I thought I found MPG 274URF QD model but it’s MPG 274UPF QD with oled so that price was for that somewhere around 1300 euroes.

Finally MAG 274QRF QD older model to MAG 274QRF QD E2 and it costs 400 euroes. And all out of stock. I guess I have to hunt monitors physically and look for QD IPS models then. Rest are gonna give me red fringe cringe!

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There’s no such model as “MPG 274UPF QD” so it must be a typo on the retailer website – there’s only the MPG 274URF QD and MPG 274UPF (no QD LED backlight). Or MPG 271QRX which is one of the QD-OLED models.

P.S. I love the term “red fringe cringe”. 😀

[Intikhab]

Well I want you to throw that term around alot so that they stop using KSF Phosphors for us!

Anyway I will try to ask people if someone is coming from abroad and buy me the MPG 274URF QD monitor for me. It’s way cheaper that way compared to my market never having any thing and if they do it’s way overpriced more than 2 times.

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