November 24, 2017 at 2:35 pm #45514
Yep, I own both: S27E390HL and C27FG73.
It is just that I would be much faster in comparing if you would answer that questions.November 24, 2017 at 3:03 pm #45517
Edited this as I managed to get my old reply back. Love smartphones sometimes!
So you are a robot? I knew it… 😉
All I am going to say is that you have already highlighted a key area you’re concerned about; overshoot. If you want to be methodical about testing that, you need to make sure you’re testing a range of pixel transitions. Testing a range of frame rates would be helpful, not necessarily for overshoot testing but just testing pixel responsiveness more broadly. So yes, hook the screens up to a PC. Both at the same time. And run some scenes that will encompass different pixel transitions (day + night, different titles).You can also run a frame rate monitor or use a game that supports this to make sure you check with a range of frame rates.
You should also check out the reviews and see the sort of the testing we do. Most of it doesn’t require fancy equipment, just a keen eye and some useful websites (TestUFO and Lagom) can go a long way.December 4, 2017 at 6:00 pm #45625
PCM2 what are your thoughts on the HP Envy 27s 4K monitor? It can be had locally for $350cad. Is this a worthy and noticeable upgrade from a samsung s27c750p 1080p monitor for use with PS4 Pro and Xbox One X? Apparently HP Envy 27 (version with USB-C)has 41.1 milliseconds of input lag. That seems insanely high for a monitor. Or is it better to wait for next years crop of freesync and HDR monitors?December 4, 2017 at 6:05 pm #45626
No idea I’m afraid as I’ve got no experience with it and HP aren’t really interested in working with UK reviewers. Not sure why you’d pick that over those we specifically recommend. In this thread and other related threads (e.g. this one). For example the Dell U2718Q and LG 27UD68. Although local price and availability might be a factor, I appreciate that.
But yes, I would advise waiting for CES in January to get an idea of some of the upcoming ‘4K’ HDR monitors. At the moment the choice of HDR monitors is quite poor. When you’re looking at ‘4K’ UHD models they’re either very expensive (sometimes $2000+) due to a complex backlight design with local dimming. Or they are cheaper but offer ‘fake HDR’ with the backlight just controlled as one unit and colour capabilities that fall short of what you’d expect from an HDR monitor. It’s the sort of thing I’ve seen with the Dell U2518D (https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/dell-u2518d/#HDR_High_Dynamic_Range).
The more impressive budget-friendly solutions, I feel, use more affordable backlight solutions that are still split into several dimming zones. Coupled with a decent but not extreme colour gamut (again, keeps things affordable and is easier for manufacturers to implement). This sort of solution has been implemented on some lower resolution monitors (https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/samsung-c27hg70/#HDR_High_Dynamic_Range for example) and I would hope to see some ‘4K’ models using this kind of system next year.December 5, 2017 at 6:57 am #45627
So, my search for a monitor is not finished. The S27E390H amd the C27FG73 perform practically according to me very similar. Otherwise I found the Acer XB271HU to be very interesting for playing in WQHD on PC. But honestly, I’m a bit confused about the performance difference between this monitor and the C27FG73.
I know of the difference in regards of the resolution, frequence and panel (VA Full-HD (Quantum Dot) @144Hz vs IPS WQHD @144-165Hz) and I know the pro and contra of both panels.
What I don’t know is what the following technical information about “Reaktionsverhalten” (reaction behavior) and “Latenzzeit” (input lag), which comes from previous models of both monitors, practically means, for the Samsung seems to be, according to these informations, better on both point than the Acer:
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2015/test-acer-xb270hubprz-teil10.html (I would prefer the overdrive setting on “normal”)
– Is this observation correct? If so, how can it be if the IPS panel is generally considered to be better for gaming than VA panels?
– What is potentially the concrete difference between the above cited newer monitor models?
– Which monitor would performs better/worse at 60Hz (which for many reasons I generally prioritize for my choice…) and “how much”?
I would like to find a good compromise between image quality and gaming performance. That’s because I’m interested in both monitor. Ideally I would like to have a Full-HD 60 Hz Monitor IPS that performs excellent on gaming for using it also with the PS4.
(I don’t know if this is the right place for my question.)
If I have to buy a new monitor I will do this via your Amazon link.
Again, thank you very much for your time, for this I will made a donation at the end of my search. And sorry if I am so pedantic with my questions, sometime, like now, I hate myself for this 🙁December 5, 2017 at 7:59 am #45628
Read this and then read this, and tell me which you think is the ‘faster’ monitor? The CFG70 is actually one of the fastest VA models out there, so it’s an interesting one to compare. But more generally, the problem with PRAD’s assessment of pixel response times is that they simply don’t analyse a sufficient number of transitions to paint a complete picture. For the slim range of transitions they did measure, the CFG70 probably was indeed very quick. But they missed out the slightly different transtions that were significantly slower or that provided relatively high levels of overshoot. To properly assess pixel transitions and paint a complete picture, you need to consider far more of those grey levels between 0 and 255 than they do. And you certainly can’t look at averages and gauge anything particularly useful from that. That is exactly why we take the time to subjectively analyse responsiveness in detail and also provide visual data where possible – it is important to give an accurate and more complete picture of what to expect.December 6, 2017 at 3:37 pm #45932
Update on the S24F350.
The picture was very good and it was fast enough for casual gaming but I found on quicker twitchy games like BO3 it was too slow. Putting the overdrive to maximum helped alot but then added overshoot/artifacts.
Also I just couldn’t deal with having to wear a headset 100% of the time when using the Xbox >.< .
I went ahead and ordered an Asus VG245H just to try out expecting to just send it back, but I have decided to keep it.
Still a TN but its a real 8 bit panel and far better panel and build quality to the RL2455HM I have, also the input feels alot better. The Benq is supposed to have very good input lag but mine always felt off for some reason.December 6, 2017 at 3:53 pm #45933
I appreciate the feedback. It is very helpful, especially for models that I haven’t reviewed myself. Thinking back to the S24E390HL, there were some slower than optimal pixel transitions. That gave a light powdery trailing, slightly increasing perceived blur. Noticeable to sensitive eyes, especially for faster paced action. I don’t know how the SF350 compares without thorough testing, but it sounds like it could be similar if not slightly slower.
It will be nice for you not having to wear headphones as well. And I’m not surprised you prefer the VG245H over the RL2455HM. That is such an over-marketed pile of rubbish. 😉December 7, 2017 at 2:58 pm #45944
PCM2: Again, I just want to thank you very much for your effort (here and also on the other forum ;)).
You convinced me: The CFG73 and now apparently the E390H/F350 are not a good choice for good gaming at 60Hz and Full-HD.
Now, I will keep (maybe) the Acer XB271HU, which should be the best monitor according to many reviews, for PC gaming and for console I will buy a specific monitor: BenQ ZOWIE RL2755 (or do you know a better monitor?).
I will make my donation for you when I will be at home on this Saturday or next week, I promise it!December 7, 2017 at 3:18 pm #45945
I can’t recommend the BenQ RL2755 I’m afraid, it is about as badly calibrated as monitors come. And it has some significant overshoot issues, even using its optimal (‘AMA = High’) response time setting. It’s in no way a better choice than the Samsung S27E390HL/S27F350 for console gaming, in my view. Unless you are more tolerant of overshoot than of a little bit of powdery trailing in places. As above there are some users who still prefer tighter pixel responsiveness, for faster-paced competitive console gaming at least. But don’t be tricked into thinking the ASUS VG245H (good TN model) is going to be similar to the RL2755 (bad model). In fact – see how the RL2455 (similar to the RL2755) was addressed just above.
So I’m not entirely clear why you dismissed the SE390 models here and then jumped to something as terrible as the RL2755. I mean, everybody’s eyes are different and people have different requirements and preferences. But I’ve not known any user with experience of decent IPS or VA models who would pick the RL2755 – especially when it is weak in areas you have already specifically highlighted you’re concerned about. Namely colour vibrancy and overshoot. You’d be better off with the BenQ GL2760H if you really need a TN model. But prepare to be disappointed in terms of ‘vibrancy’ coming from two models which are superior in that regard.
But I appreciate you wanting to support the site with a donation, that’s a kind gesture. But if you do jump on the RL2755 it won’t be with my blessing. 😉December 7, 2017 at 3:43 pm #45946
… you said: because of marketing 😀 … and reviews on Amazon and on another website are very good.
Don’t know, I thought from the comment above that the E390H/F350 is now not such a good choice.
I’m tired of my search; at home I will send the CFG73 back, I will test further the XB271HU for PC gaming and I will definitely keep the E390H for console gaming – which actually I really don’t so much because of the PC!December 7, 2017 at 3:57 pm #45947December 7, 2017 at 6:22 pm #45948
I have been searching for a monitor specifically for console gaming for the past couple of days. Ever since I switched to an HD TV from a CRT some 5/6 years ago, I’ve been performing worse in competitive games, but I just chalked it up to me losing my edge. I eventually researched a bit and…here I am.
At any rate, the monitors I ended up circling out were just two:
– Asus VG245H
– Benq RL2455/27
But from what I’ve read a couple of posts up, and from random Internet mentions, the Benq isn’t as good as it appears.
And I was wondering if there were any “better” monitors than the Asus, with a budget of $300cad. Having the most colourful or accurate display isn’t a priority, as I can use my TV for other games.
Cheers.December 7, 2017 at 6:23 pm #45950
The Asus VG245H is marketed towards console users like the Benq RL series but its a newer better quality monitor. It has a built in fully adjustable stand and its base is solid metal, also comes with freesync 40-75hz for AMD GPU’s.
The RL’s are very plasticky and not brilliant build quality, I think the RL24 and 27 are both 6bit+FRC panels were as the Asus is a real 8bit panel as well.
The RL24 gamma is massively off and you can’t really do much about it, just get used to a washed out image. My friend has the RL27 and it is alot better than the 24, it doesn’t have the gamma issue but its still pretty expensive, its more than this Asus I’m talking about which only released last year.
It might seem overkill but if you aren’t happy with these panels you might as well start trying the £400+ 144hz panels, I know you will only be maxing 60hz but I would expect the panels to be better quality the more you pay!December 7, 2017 at 6:24 pm #45951
If you’re interested in competitive gaming on the console and want to be assured of the highest level of responsiveness at 60Hz, then absolutely I would go for the VG245H. I’m sure I’ve already made my thoughts on the RL24/27 models quite clear so won’t throw further dirt onto them. Although I would correct you regarding the gamma issue. The 27″ RL model doesn’t have the same gamma issue, but the gamma curve is really very ‘wonky’ and shades are not represented as they should be. In particular dark shades are too light and some brighter shades are too bright (there is oversaturation and ‘crushing’ because of that). And I’m not talking about TN colour consistency issues here, which exist on all TN models, but how shades are represented right in the middle of the screen.
So it sounds like the VG245H would suit you very well for the competitive edge with decent image quality for the panel type. I would again stress that some users, even competitive gamers, find decent IPS-type models like the Samsung models discussed here absolutely fine for competitive gaming. Speaking personally, I’m very sensitive to pixel responsiveness issues and find the weaknesses in pixel responsiveness fairly minor. Then again, I’m a high refresh rate and frame rate PC gaming snob and find even the fastest 60Hz monitors ‘too slow’ for my liking. 😉December 7, 2017 at 6:28 pm #45952
I got my RL24 probably about 2-3 years ago now, I trawled the internet and just found countless raving reviews about it. Don’t listen to any of them lol.
The 27 is far better than the 24, but instead of the price going down with age they have just rebranded them as Zowie and now charge even more than they used to.
I’ve had the ASUS a few weeks now, no complaints about it so far.December 7, 2017 at 6:38 pm #45953
Something else I forgot to mention.
On Xbox when you use RGB full something weird happens with the blacks and whites, the console picture configuration becomes useless because you can never see the picture to get the contrast right. (And for some reason the brightness one never works on a monitor but works on a TV). Apparently its never been right and its never been fixed so people advise to stay away from full and just use limited.
The Benq’s you could choose limited or full on the monitor but the Asus appears to be locked in full with no option to switch. Its not a massive issue but apparently full on Xbox just creates more black crush, I just use the Lagom site to tune it in and end up lowering the contrast a bit more to see the squares in the picture.
I might be completely wrong but alot of what I’ve seen posted in various places seems to make sense.December 11, 2017 at 9:43 pm #45998
so after researching for a while I just ended up being more confused .
So I have a budget of 200€. This monitor is gonna be mainly for the PS4 pro.
The most interesting one so far is the Asus VG245H.
I’m not sure on the TN Panel tho, it just seems like it has so many downsights next to being fast.
But an IPS Panel wouldn’t be in my price range I guess.
So does anyone have tips on what would be a proper option for me ?
I don’t really mind if it is 24 or 27 inch. It should be reasonable fast, and the screen shouldn’t look to crappy.
Thank you guysDecember 11, 2017 at 9:47 pm #46000
I can appreciate this thread is quite long and there is a bit of conflicing advise. To be completely clear:
– Most users will find models like the Samsung S24F350FH offers a very nice mixture of image quality an responsiveness at a very pleasing price.
– A minority of users will find the slight edge in pixel responsiveness (during some transitions, not all) on the ASUS VG245H to be advantageous. The image quality is simply not as good as the S24F350FH, but it’s one of the better-calibrated TN models out there which helps it have a reasonably rich image.
My advice would therefore be to try the S24F350FH, which you can get from somewhere with an excellent returns policy. With nothing to lose but a bit of time, if you dislike it. You will most likely enjoy the experience enough to keep it, however.December 13, 2017 at 11:32 am #46007
I bought the XB272 (https://www.acer.com/ac/en/GB/content/predator-model/UM.HX2EE.005) because I wanted to compare a (maybe) “good” TN Panel to the IPS of the XB271HU and the PLS of the S27E390H.
XB271HU (left) vs XB272 (right): https://imgur.com/a/wfgdq
According to me, the XB272 has better contrast, maybe because the panel of the XB271HU is yellowish. The same is for the S27E390H: The XB272 is for me just better because the E390H has dull colors. Also: the XB271HU was not so sharp as the E390H or the XB272!
But how can this be?! I always thought that the TN panel is never so good as the IPS/PLS. I compared the monitors for many hours and I tried to find the “better” colors calibration.
Also: Lag input difference between the XB272 and the E390H; the XB272 is clearly faster: https://youtu.be/L_0fzqth8Us & https://youtu.be/yZ26wVbPY9c (of course the XB272 was also barely faster than the XB271HU but I did not made a video of that.)
So, for now I will send the XB271HU back and I will decide if I want to keep the XB272 because I would like to try the Acer Predator Z271UV which is WQHD TN + Quantum Dot but it is not released yet.
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