October 5, 2017 at 7:25 am #44933
Yes, the human eye can perceive the differences. As you’d see if you read the colour reproduction sections of those reviews. As I said, though, the difference between the two Samsung models wouldn’t be all that pronounced in that respect.October 5, 2017 at 6:29 pm #44938October 10, 2017 at 9:08 pm #44976
I am thinking to switch my current LG27MP68HM for some VA panel because I prefer good black color (I play dark games – horror, space, cyberpunk) and minimum backlight (IPS) bleeding. My current favorites is:
– Samsung LC27F591FDUXEN (C27H580 is a dark blue version, everything else is the same?) – catch this on Amazon EU black friday??
– BenQ EW2775ZH (I saw your recommendation on this one, only minus is that doesn`t have VESA mount, but that is not so important)
– BenQ GC2870H (has VESA mount, there is also GW2870H version but I don`t know the difference)
Cheapest is that benq 28″ but I don`t know will I have problems in fast games with ghosting and too much blur. What do you think? Any other recommendation?October 10, 2017 at 9:14 pm #44978
A few comments:
– The C27H580 does use the same panel as the C27F591FD. It should be very similar, aside from the colour and design. However; there’s more to a monitor than just a panel, so there is no guarantee that there won’t be some differences in colour setup, responsiveness etc.
– The 28″ BenQ models use variants of the CMO (InnoLux) M280HKJ as used in this Philips model we’ve reviewed. Pixel responsiveness is very poor. The GC2870H has a wide colour gamut as per our news piece. The GW2870H does not.
I think the Samsung models are pretty solid all-rounders, so I do and will continue to recommend then unless something substantially better comes out. Or if a user needs specific features they don’t offer (such as a flat screen, a box which the EW2775ZH would tick)October 11, 2017 at 8:11 am #44979
Than Benq 28″ is out of the game.
C27F591FD is my favorite right now but I don`t know will curved screen have negative effect. I read some internet discussion and some say curved screen is not a big deal, other says that it has negative effect if I am not in the centar of monitor. Sometimes I play PES with my friends so we are not all in the centar of the monitor, I also watch movies from my bed (distance to monitor 1,5m – not centered), also some mention that in exel and paint there will be problem with drawing a flat line. What do you think?
For EW2775ZH I found this:
I asked this guy and he told me that it look worse because it is recored with mobile phone. He told me that he has a problem in Deus ex and he posted this video recorded with Radeon Relive but I don`t see that problem in Deus ex, I expected big flickering like in Witcher video:
Difference between these monitor is around 80-90€.October 11, 2017 at 4:52 pm #44980
This section of the Samsung review explores the curve. It explains that, given the fact the screen is only 27″, the curve is fairly subtle. That’s certainly the case from a central viewing position. The fact that the screen isn’t overly wide also means that the curve shouldn’t be particularly obnoxious from a decentralised viewing position. It’s something you’d have to see for yourself, though.
The slow transitions highlighted in that video exist to an extent on all VA models. They were more pronounced on the EW2750ZL than the Samsung CF591, though, and I suspect the EW2775ZH is similar to the older model in that respect. As for the second video, it is a GPU capture and is not showing what the monitor displays. So it’s irrelevant.October 21, 2017 at 3:28 pm #45090
Hi PCM2, I am almost decided to buy the Benq EW2775ZH that you recommend, but I have seen the Benq VZ2770H that I like more aesthetically.
Do you know this model? Does it have a similar quality to the EW2775?October 21, 2017 at 4:25 pm #45091
VZ2770H has many negative reviews on Amazon, I would stay on EW2775ZHOctober 21, 2017 at 4:35 pm #45092
Yes indeed Vision55. And user feedback I’ve received echoes that. The VZ2770H has poor default colour accuracy, obvious issues with responsiveness beyond what you’d expect from a modern AMVA panel. Plus the panel itself is older and has an inferior colour gamut (and responsiveness potential). Stick with the EW2775ZH.October 22, 2017 at 10:11 am #45093
I’m using the Samsug 27FG73 with the Benq PD2700Q
I can compare the two worlds, IPS and VA, because the monitor are
side by side .
I use the recommended settings here for Samsung and my Benq calibration
If you do not use high refresh, Samsung’s only advantage is black, slightly darker.
For the rest, no doubt Benq wins.
Even the Playstation placed in the Benq panel returns exactly the same picture despite the scaler.
If you tell me how it is, i post the two pictures where you can see this.
How it is possible?October 22, 2017 at 10:32 am #45094
The relative advantages of each also depend on the ambient lighting, individual sensitivity and how the monitors are set up (last point covered in your post, of course). Stating that ‘black is darker’ as the only advantage of a VA model relative to AHVA is misleading, an incomplete assessment. If you’re comparing a model with ~3000:1 contrast with one that has ~1000:1, the differences are further-reaching. The advantage is extended to the representation of ‘dark’ vs. ‘light’ shades, not just ‘black’, as well as differences in peripheral detail levels (‘glow’). This is something my keen eye has experienced many times in far broader comparisons than just two models, backed up by a large mass of user feedback as well. There is plenty of discussion in this large thread as well as well as a video demonstrating some of the differences (or talking through them); https://forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/ips-and-va-gaming-monitor-direct-comparison/. I absolutely agree that IPS-type technology has some distinct advantages, some individuals would much prefer the consistently rich colour representations over contrast advantages. The holy grail would be both of these together and much higher contrast to boot. But that will have to await a well-tuned FALD system or backlightless technology.
Posting images will do very little to accurately demonstrate differences between monitors. The image is affected by the camera, image software and the monitor that the image is being viewed on. You can’t replicate what the monitors actually show in that way, it’s impossible.October 22, 2017 at 11:25 am #45095
A photo to the screen is ok to show a diagonal line without aliasing, simply this.
Is not ok to show colors for example , but for lines is ok.
what I do not understand is how it is possible that the scaler is so precise. better so for me.
Pheraps playstation uses a downsampling technique?
honestly the difference in black does not seem to me to be aso incredible, I just see a slightly blacker black.
And this by looking at a black screen.
Besides, the monitor has spurious light defects, if you want i take a picture to see you.
During a game sincerely this major contrast I do not understand what real benefits it brings. Perhaps in a dark area you see slightly a black a little bit blacker.
The quantum doct system produce only oversaturated colors.
It is not a bad monitor, the problem is that with the benq there is no match.
my advice is to try it.
amazon allows you to return it if you are not satisfied.October 22, 2017 at 11:43 am #45096
Yes, the difference in contrast is not staggering (3000:1 plus uniformity issues, not amazing). And given how subjective everything is I absolutely agree people should see for themselves. With Amazon’s returns policy as a fallback, also providing a good way to potentially support our work.
Feel free to email any photos via the website contact form and if I feel they represent things in a useful/accurate way then I will post them here. It is worth noting that the PD2700Q may use a very good interpolation technique (haven’t tested it). Also the screen surface is lighter and it doesn’t have the slightly odd subpixel structure of the Samsung. I know from experience that showing pictures of lines is a poor way to demonstrate interpolation performance, which is why we don’t use such images in reviews. Unless the image is a proper macro AND the process itself is next to perfect without any softening.October 22, 2017 at 1:29 pm #45097
I have emailed to you 2 pics of the same scene.
Is possible that i may have taken a defective monitor?October 22, 2017 at 1:55 pm #45100
I have received the images, I appreciate you sending them. Here they are, for people to download:
The images look largely as I’d expect them to, given that many images I take myself to try to show interpolation peformance look very much like this. So don’t take this as me being critical of your photography, I just don’t feel the images accurately portray the more refined differences and similarities between the two monitors. With the moiré and general lack of definitition. If you were to take a screenshot of the game world so people could see how sharp it should look (roughly – I appreciate it would need to be viewed on a Full HD monitor etc.) this would make this more obvious.
Having said that, I can clearly see even from your images that the BenQ has at the very least a very decent interpolation process. If the softening was ‘obvious’, which it is on some models, that would show up to some degree as more distinct differences even in images like this. If anything the BenQ looks to be slightly over-sharp, which some users subjectively prefer to the softer look provided on some models. It could just be that the Samsung is ‘overly soft’ due to the subpixel layout as I noted earlier. Based on the images and similar images I’ve taken myself, it actually looks similar to me to the interpolation performance of the BenQ EW2770QZ. And that would make sense. I don’t feel your Samsung is faulty, I just feel that between the good interpolation performance of the BenQ and the imperfections on the Samsung due to the subpixel structure, you find the BenQ’s image more pleasing.
I do apologise if any of the above seems overly critical, by the way. It isn’t intended that way, it’s just that I am very experienced in this sort of thing and know that there are differences between what can be shown in images like this and how things really are. Plus subjectivity and personal sensitivities, which can’t be stressed enough. I really do appreciate you providing this feedback and I feel it’s a valuable addition to this thread. If anything it reinforces the fact that users shouldn’t automatically discount higher resolution models if they’re going to have to be running them non-natively some of the time. As long as the interpolation is decent. 🙂
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