August 18, 2017 at 4:56 pm #44384
The IPS-type options, the Samsung S27E390H would be my key matte recommendation. If you can control your lighting environment then I’d also consider some glossy options. HP have several models to consider with a ‘Low Haze Enhancement’ film – better clarity than the pure matte options but a bit of reflection is possible depending on lighting. The HP 27er, 27es and 27xw – although they’re not available in all markets.August 21, 2017 at 1:31 pm #44401
I’m running your custom settings on my Samsung C27F591 but struggling to get clear text. It’s like it’s out of focus. Also the it looks washed out.
I have tried adjustments in either the GPU & monitor and can’t get it right.
Thanks.August 21, 2017 at 1:40 pm #44403
There’s no use posting screenshots as they simply show what the GPU is rendering. Not what the monitor is displaying. Your Nvidia Control Panel settings are not going to give an accurate or varied image, either.
Take a step back, reset those things to default. And ensure you’ve followed the guidance on this article – https://pcmonitors.info/articles/correcting-hdmi-colour-on-nvidia-and-amd-gpus/. A messed up colour signal is the most likely culprit.September 10, 2017 at 11:09 am #44559
New models for 27″
https://forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/new-monitor-panel-discussions/page/19/September 22, 2017 at 6:59 pm #44823
Hy, I am new to this forum and I am currently looking for a 27″ FHD monitor.
I would mostly use it for programming and some photo editing.
I am located in Europe and I am willing to spend around 300€.
I was looking at 27″ 1440p monitors too but I just don’t think they are worth the additional cost.
My only requirements are matte screen and vesa mounting holes, I would prefer if it had a thin bezel but it’s not a necessity.
I have narrowed it down to a few choices but I would appreciate your feedback and any alternative (better) suggestions.
Thank you for your timeSeptember 22, 2017 at 7:04 pm #44825
I have limited experience with those particular models, but broad experience with others using the same or very similar AH-IPS panels. As I’ve stated in other threads, I actually find Samsung’s AD-PLS panels slightly superior for the Full HD options. So I would instead recommend considering the Samsung S27F350FH. This offers a slightly lighter (less grainy) screen surface, slightly more generous colour gamut and according to user feedback is rather nicely set up ‘out of the factory’. I can certainly say that the ASUS VC279H has some gamma handling issues in comparison, so unless you own a colorimeter I’d rule that one out for your uses.September 22, 2017 at 9:20 pm #44826
I’m a little surprised that you picked BenQ EW2775H over the BenQ GW2760HL, I thought I read somewhere here you said BenQ GW2760HL was pretty much the best when it comes to VA 1080p @27″ best bang for the buck. Yes the other one has a few extra features but when it comes to the panel are they equal ?
If you don’t mind can I ask you a off topic question about a 4K TV…I didn’t want to start a new thread especially if it’s about a TV.
I was looking at a 4K TV the Samsung Electronics UN40MU6300 40-Inch 4K (2017 Model) according to http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/mu6300
it’s considered to have pretty low input lag at 4k @ 60Hz it has a input lag of 19.9 ms but it also states that 4k @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode it’s 97.9 ms. Well you know how monitors in Game mode look kinda crappy so I’m figuring that maybe if I would get a TV it might be the same and I might not want to use Game mode but if I do that then there’s a huge hit in lag though.
Also how come when monitors specs include Response time (G2G) 4ms for example. But there’s no spec for input lag like on TV’s. But when it comes to TV’s you only see the Input Lag spec but no G2G spec.
For example http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/mu6300 only talks about input lag.
For example https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/samsung-c27f591fd/ only talks about G2G.
ThanksSeptember 22, 2017 at 10:17 pm #44827
Refer to the EW2750ZL review and note the comparison with the GW2760HS. It’s essentially a new and in some ways improved version, using a newer variant of the same panel. Slightly better colour gamut, some new features (as you noted), improved pixel responsiveness. Then note my comments that the EW2775H above is simply another incremental upgrade to the series. These aren’t massive upgrades, but there’s no reason to prefer the older GW2760HS really. Aside from the VESA holes, if that’s important to you. Price doesn’t factor into it as they’re very similar in that respect.
Typically ‘game modes’ on TVs that have such a dramatic impact on input lag do indeed involve significant image quality hits. Including disabling 4:4:4 Chroma and therefore giving text fringing issues. In general colour setup is much poorer on TVs with gamma that’s all over the place. But that’s certainly not always the case and there are certainly some models out there with reasonable factory calibration for general PC usage.
I don’t understand your last comment, I think you’re confusing what is being measured with what the manufacturer specifies. The C27F591FD review, like all of our reviews, includes accurate input lag measurements. Refer to this section of the review. Input lag is something that is measured, it is never specified. Monitors do typically include a grey to grey response time measurement (a highly misleading one), but TVs typically don’t. However; neither has input lag specified.September 22, 2017 at 10:30 pm #44828
Well I mentioned the GW2760HL not the older GW2760HS model. Doesn’t the GW2760HL also have the newer variant of the same panel too ?
Well okay let me break this down monitor specs always include the G2G so for example GW2760HL has a G2G of 4MS. In the specs 99% of the time it never mentions input lag.
Now TV’s these don’t necessarily give specs of the like. But if you go to TV review sites that review TV’s they will measure the input lag of the TV but never mention G2G spec ?
Do you see what I mean now one always talk about one spec but not the other. I understand that you may test for both these specs when you do a reviews but when you look at a monitor from Amazon they only list the G2G spec.September 22, 2017 at 10:43 pm #44829
Right, well I have no experience with that model nor have I received any user feedback on it. It isn’t even available in Europe or the UK, where I’m based. But in the US price difference is marginal. Given this and the fact it is something of an unknown entity, there’s no in reason I would recommend that.
As I’ve said response times are specified for monitors. Rarely for TVs. But input lag is never specified for either and it is much simpler to measure than pixel response times. Paying too much attention to specified response time if a fools game, though.September 23, 2017 at 1:43 am #44831
Well I’m not trying to pay to much attention to it, I’m just asking why are TVs and monitors spec differently, it doesn’t matter it seems like you don’t understand what I’m trying to say, let’s just drop it.
As to recommending GW2760HL Im pretty you said in the previous post in other topic that one was the one to get cuz it had the newer panel, I don’t have time to look for it now because I’m on my phone but I will check tomorrow, I could be wrong, will see.September 23, 2017 at 6:43 am #44833
I do understand what you’re saying, although you seem to have (at least initially) misunderstood as input lag is not specified for TVs ever. Grey to grey response times are not specified either – not sure why exactly, but it’s just how things have always been. To be honest it would be better if they weren’t specified for monitors either as they are an utterly misleading and sometimes pointless measurement. VA models highlight that fact extremely clearly.
You’ll see that the first time I ever mentioned the GW2760HL was just in my earlier reply to you very recently – https://forum.pcmonitors.info/search/gw2760hl/. That’s because I wasn’t even aware of that model and probably just thought you meant GW2760HS when you said it. It isn’t an EU/UK model so my PR people aren’t aware of it and neither was I.October 4, 2017 at 7:47 pm #44927
congratulations to your site and your work
after a careful reading of all the reviews I came to the conclusion that I have to choose the monitor between the following models:
1) Samsung C27H580 (I think it is the black version of the recommended Samsung C27F591)
2) BenQ EW2775ZH (as recommended by your previous post)
3) Samsung C27FG73 (new version of the FG70 model with probably small updates)
What do you think about it?
My priority is not screen responsiveness or input lag, but my focus is black level, contrast and colors.
I already have an IPS monitor for photo editing, I would like a game/movie monitor that is less realistic in colors and with a more punch screen (not matte).
Sorry for my english
thanksOctober 4, 2017 at 8:10 pm #44929
Yes, as per our news piece (added link to your post), the CH580 is the same as the CF591 aside from aesthetically (and the colour is navy blue, not black). All of the monitors you’re looking at have matte screen surfaces. The primary focus should be colour gamut. The C27FG73 has the widest colour gamut, followed fairly closely by the C27H580 and then the EW2775ZH.
If you compare the colour gamut of the C24FG70 to the C27F591FD, to give you an idea of the differences between the two Samsung models you’re considering. The BenQ’s colour gamut is similar to that of the EW27750ZL. Given how close the two Samsung models are, you should really consider the importance of the extra refresh rate. What sort of frame rate would you be running at in the Full HD resolution typically? I know you said respnosiveness is not a priority, but surely it’s a consideration.October 4, 2017 at 11:23 pm #44931
For me it’s enough to play at 60 fps.
I often use the console and therefore the frame rate is typically locked at 30fps.
With PC I’m not a competitive player.
I have a geforce 1060, but i have noticed, doing a test from a friend who has a similar card and a 144hz monitor, that without g-sync you have tearing issues.
To avoid problems, you must activate the v-sync losing the advantage of the higher frames.
If colour gamut is my focus i think that C27FG73 is the monitor that is suitable for my needs.
The only problem is that the price of this model is almost double of benq.
The important question is, with Samsung and Benq put one close to the other, a human eye perceives the differences in color gamut?
Or are differences detected only by instrument?
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