February 10, 2015 at 11:19 am #34708
Hello everyone, my old faithful Asus died on me, so it’s time for a new monitor and I need your assistance here, this really isn‘t my field and there seem to be some professionals hanging around here. I’ve been eyeballing them FHD 27″ monitors, since they’ve become unbelievably cheap. I do realize I’m not getting the WQHD experience here, but 1080p resolution should be plenty and I’m going to sit at around 3 feet/1 meter away from it, so if I can go bigger without having to sell my liver – why not.
Also, I‘m looking at either IPS or VA panels since they seem to be mostly superior, just can‘t decide which one would be more suitable. I‘ve been hearing wonderful things about IPS, but the high contrast of VA is really attractive and at the same time the dreaded IPS backlight bleeding really repels me. Though I usually avoid using the computer in complete darkness even while watching movies in order to protect my already non-perfect eyesight, so I‘m not sure there is a point in taking a VA for the contrast difference and lack of bleed I might not even notice. Unless they are really close to IPS considering color reproduction anyway and I don‘t lose much here (though am I correct to think that VA panels have worse response times?).
This is going to be my main home monitor, so it needs to be as universal as possible. I occasionally do some FPS gaming, programming, photo editing, CAD and movie watching, while more often – web browsing, PDF reading and writing. It might be a lot to ask, since that would mean I want the best response, colors and contrast I can get. Non-PWM dimming and height adjustment would be pleasant bonuses, though non-critical. Also, matte coatings are preferred, I don‘t want to be looking at my face in dark scenes. Lastly, I don’t believe viewing angles are paramount for such use, who looks at their own monitor at an angle anyways?
Here are a few various brand models that caught my interest, from what I have seen available for sale and online reviews. I have also seen quite a few Phillips and LG choices, but some of the reviews weren‘t too forgiving, so I ruled them out. The Dells are pushing my budget limit though, I’d consider them if they are actually worth it.
Any thoughts are appreciated, similarly priced options are welcome as well! 🙂February 10, 2015 at 11:58 am #34711
Hi ww1dm1 and a warm welcome to the forum!
I’m pleased to see this thread crop up, as this is the sort of question that several people have asked by email recently. The price of some of these models is indeed very attractive and you can expect good all-round performance from many of them. I’ve added some links to our articles or reviews on some of the models you’ve mentioned, just for reference.
You’re quite right in noting that you can’t have everything. The choice between VA and IPS is a very personal one and I can’t really add to what I’ve said in the reviews and this comparison thread. There are also some thoughts on both the BenQ EW2740L and BenQ GW2760HS in that thread. The newest revisions of both models actually use the same panel and some of the new features like ‘Low Blue Light’ settings have also been carried over to the GW2760HS. The key differences include the glossy bezels and stand of the GW, the different ports (inclusion of DVI but fewer HDMI on the GW) and slightly different pixel overdrive implementation. The EW is slightly faster in some scenarios but it comes at the expense of some overshoot (inverse ghosting) which you may or may not notice.
I should also point out a very valid point for this comparison. The viewing angles are not only important when considering viewing the monitor from various angles (above, below or to the side) but also when seated in front of the monitor normally. On a screen of this size, different areas of the screen subtend different angles to your eye. There is a commonly commented on ‘gamma shift’ phenomenon associated with VA models, which we explain in detail in our reviews.
If you’re looking at doing colour-critical work this is a key thing which makes IPS-type panels a stronger choice. The ability to display colours with full richness throughout the screen is also nice for other uses, although some people prefer the bold contrasting colours produced in some cases by VA panels. And yes, you would still notice a difference in a moderately-well lit room – we review the monitors in moderate lighting rather than complete darkness. You’re correct in saying that bleed and dark-uniformity issues (including apparent glow) become less noticable than in a dark room though. They both still affect the detail levels outputted by the monitor, but the actually ‘bloom’ becomes less apparent.
So whilst you mull over the VA and IPS-type choice a little more, which is not something that has a straightforward answer to, I’ll comment on some of the models you list:
AOC i2757Fm – as noted in the review, this model offers strong all-round performance. Good default image setup (particularly with respect to gamma) and well-tuned and adjustable pixel overdrive. It is not PWM-free (flicker-free), though. I’m sure you’ve read about the potential for eyestrain, which doesn’t affect all users. There is also the potential for increased visual fatigue, which is perhaps more widely experienced than actual ‘eye strain’ when viewing monitors that use PWM for extended periods of time. Then there are ‘PWM artifacts’ durng motion, which I personally dislike. The Samsung models are similar to this one in terms of performance and are PWM-free, so they get my recommendation.
ASUS VX279Q – an attractive design many would agree and good all-around performance. This model falls short of the Samsung PLS models when it comes to image setup, however. The gamma tracking is not as good (shades not reproduced quite as accurately without calibration) and it has a fixed pixel overdrive solution which is a little ‘aggressive’, giving some inverse ghosting in places. Again you may or may not notice this issue, but it is a bit bizarre for ASUS to miss of their usual adjustable ‘Trace Free’ settings.
BenQ EW2740L – not to repeat too much of what is said above or in the threads/reviews linked to, this is a decent all-around choice. Again, colour accuracy is not as good as on the IPS-type models and responsiveness is weaker. The excellent contrast performance brings out nice bold and inky blacks, generally low levels of ‘backlight bleed’ and really nice ‘pop’ where light and dark shades combine. The semi-glossy screen surface is also nice, in my opinion. It’s basically matte, but ‘less matte’ (lower haze value) than the IPS-type options.
BenQ GW2760HS – see the comparison notes above. Different ports, aesthetics and slightly different pixel overdrive implementation compared to the EW.
Dell P2714H – good ergonomic build and all-round performance. Not PWM-free and default image setup a little weaker than the Samsung models, particularly the SD390 series.
Dell S2715H – can be expected to be similar to the S2415H which we’ve reviewed. No confirmation on PWM, though, which isn’t always consitent between 23.8″ and 27″ versions of the same model from Dell and some others. Certainly good for striking ‘popping’ colours and relatively good clarity compared to the matte surfaces, but of course the glossy screen surface does bring other things into consideration. If you have light striking the screen surface directly, then that would be an issue. What exactly are the lighting conditions like in your room?
Iiyama X2783HSU and Samsung S27C650D – sorry to group these together, but I have no experience with either so can’t really comment. I haven’t received any appreciable user feedback on either.
Samsung S27D390H – very similar to the 23.6″ S24D390HL that we’ve reviewed. Great all-round performance with surprisingly good image setting following just a few simple tweaks (refer to calibration section of 23.6″ review). No real issues with this one in terms of the screen itself, but it does offer the usual IPS-type characteristics (glow etc. but excellent colour consistency). This model seems to offer better light colour uniformity than the LG AH-IPS alternatives as well which is a nice bonus.
S27D590P – quite similar to the S27D390H, but slightly worse default image setup. The gamma tracking is a little looser and white point generally a little further from the target, although individual units can vary. The bezels are thinner and it obviously looks different. It also has a JOG (joystick) for easy menu navigation and an additional HDMI port. Note that the ‘PSX’ suffix is only used by some retailers, it isn’t part of the official common model code which is either simply ‘P’ or ‘PS’ depending on how complete you want to be. It’s all the same model, anyway.February 11, 2015 at 10:32 pm #34721
Wow, big thanks for the incredibly detailed reply, it’s been a huge help so far! I’m currently leaning towards IPS/PLS models after discovering a phenomenon named “black crush”. I can live with a little glow or non-perfect contrast, but if I can’t discern individual details in darker scenes then it’s a no-go. I also checked out the gaming videos of your suggested reviews and the ghosting/inverse ghosting of VA panels seems to be pretty severe, I doubt I won’t notice that. So let’s rule out all the VA models, then the Asus, AOC and P2714H as inferior IPS models, as well as Iiyama and S27C650D as unreliable choices. Didn’t realize S2715H has a glossy panel, I can’t live with that, so this one is out as well. We’re left with the Samsung brothers.
As I understand the S27D390H is the no brainer here. It most certainly seems nice, but every single customer review I came across condemns the wobbly abomination of a stand. Apparently the monitor starts shaking like a bobblehead from the slightest vibration of the desk, in some cases just by typing on the keyboard. That’s why I’m seriously considering the S27D590H, a lot less complaints about a flimsy stand here. I’m usually the person to let design flaws past in favor of better technical specifications, but this time I have a feeling that my sanity is more important than slight gamma differences. Another thing that might make me go on a murderous rampage while using the S27D390H is the touch sensitive buttons. I do realize it’s a very common “feature”, but S27D590H is one of the few diamonds that could free me from the pleasure of spending half a minute trying to turn on the bloody thing. Lastly the design is more appealing to my taste, it’s a nice bonus I guess.
So another question, how much of a difference would I actually notice between the image qualities of the Samsungs? Some tinkering with the calibration is no problem for me if it’s not a troublesome task. Is it worth sacrificing my brain cells for the S27D390H?February 11, 2015 at 10:43 pm #34722
To be honest I never really found the stand of the SD390s to be problematic. To me it was much the same as pretty much any other monitor with a fixed non-centrally mounted stand that I’ve used. But I suppose some people are fussier about that sort of thing or perhaps aren’t experienced with such ‘abominations’ 😉 .
Having said that, it sounds like you’d get on better with the build of the SD590. The stand is a little better put together (more solid at the neck and attachment point), although to be honest I don’t feel is miles better in terms of solid knock-resistance. The JOG stick is nice to use instead of touch sensitive buttons, I wouldn’t argue with that. I reckon you’d be really pleased with the image quality of the S27D590H. There are technical differences between how it is set up compared to the S27D390H, but none that would make it appear ‘inferior’ after just a small amount of tweaking. It’s just as well suited for rich and varied colours and is just as responsive, so it ticks those big boxes.February 12, 2015 at 9:35 pm #34730
Perfect, I’m ordering myself a SD590 in that case, will make sure to post my first impressions 🙂February 12, 2015 at 9:54 pm #34731
Oh, one last thing, is there an actual difference between S27D590P and LS27D590P? I noticed that in most places the S27D590P is sold out, while the LS27D590P is available, as if the latter is a newer model, or maybe it’s the same model but simply spelled out differently.February 12, 2015 at 10:09 pm #34732
No. The preferred model number is S27D590P. Prefixes and suffixes are sometimes added – it can even be referred to as something ridiculous the LS27D590PSX/EN depending on retailer. But it’s all the same model.February 23, 2015 at 9:17 pm #34795
Well, I purchased the monitor and have been using for a week now, so I can tell you what I think about it so far.
Firstly, I love the design, very sleek and simple. The stand isn’t rock hard, but seems quite sturdy. If you physically bump the monitor then it wobbles, but it not even slightnest movement from strong desk vibrations.
The controls are great, the joystick is much better than any touch buttons on a monitor I’ve used. The only disadvantage is that you can’t turn off the monitor by a single click. If there is feed then you must click the button to open the quick menu, go down and click again, so it’s a three action process, but can be accomplished quickly once you get the hang of it. If there is no feed (PC is off) then it must be held for a couple of seconds, which is a bit slower.
The image quality is great. No overly noticeable ghosting/inverse ghosting. Some slight glow near the bottom right corner in complete darkness, doesn’t bother me too much. What I didn’t expect though, is a slight bluish tint on the whole right edge of the screen, most visible when the image is white (i.e. pretty much everywhere on the internet). It is visible from all angles and is present on the left adge as well, but not nearly as noticeable, just appears as a barely noticeable reduction in brightness. So this is the only thing about this monitor that bothers me a bit, is it also an issue of PLS panels? Never heard of such a thing before.
Other things to know are the lack of DVI (HDMI acts weird sometimes, I’m using an ATI card with a DVI>HDMI adapter), VESA mount and height adjustment, but I knew what I was buying, you have to sacrifice something.February 23, 2015 at 10:14 pm #34796
Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it. And I’m glad to hear you’re enjoying the monitor overall. I’ve heard a few people comment on that sort of band of blue along the right edge. That is where the backlight of the monitor is situated and the super-thin bezels seem to pinch in a bit here. So it is quite common on this model.February 23, 2015 at 10:30 pm #34797
Backlight, I see. Well, apparently slim bezels come at a price as well, I’ll learn to live with it. Enormous thank you for your help, I usually find choosing computer equipment easy, but monitors are those dreaded things where official specifications mean next to nothing. And the monitor aisle in stores around here is quite useless as well, the monitors are either off or show some horrible quality looping video of animals, which looks identically crappy on all of them. Don’t know what I’d do without your professional help!January 25, 2016 at 8:26 am #37810
I need help choosing a monitor with 27″. Since I live in Brazil I have a small range of options under $400:
LG 29UM67 (29′ ultrawide, it’s not 27″ but has the same price, not my first option because I’m concerned about game compatibility)
I don’t play any fast paced or competitive FPS, so being 144hz or 1ms is not the focus here.
Thank you and sorry for my english.January 25, 2016 at 8:51 am #37830
Hi schreien and welcome,
I’ve merged your thread with this one as it’s an appropriate topic and one I’d like to see revived. Obviously the choice of models available has expanded since this thread was created and last updated. You’ve mentioned some of these new models in your post already as models you’re considering for yourself. And the good news is that I’ve actually tested some of them or tested models which will be very similar to them (i.e. closely related ‘cousins’, if you like). For example:
We’ve reviewed the Philips 284E5QHAD – and to put it bluntly, it’s a rubbish monitor for gaming.
The Samsung S27E360H is quite similar to the S24E390HL we’ve reviewed. Obviously it’s larger and white – also some user reports suggest that the pixel overdrive may be slightly stronger giving a small amount of overshoot/inverse ghosting (like the S24D390HL that we reviewed and recommended earlier – so nothing to worry about).
The LG 29UM67 will provide a similar overall experience to the AOC q2963Pm that we’ve reviewed.
Obviously I wouldn’t expect you to thoroughly read all of those reviews and then try and work it out from there, that would be tedious and frankly unfair of me. 😉 But I would at least compare the conclusions section of each for a brief overview of what to expect. Monitors are very subjective, so all I can really do is tell you how each monitor performs and from that you’d have to decide what’s most desireable to you. But I also have a few additional points to add based on my testing of those models and the ones you list:
– I found the S27E650C to offer an enjoyable gaming experience overall. The curve was too gentle to really add anything to or take anything away from the experience. I also found the responsiveness to be quite pleasing for a VA panel and liked that it could be comfortably run at 72Hz in its native resolution. As I note in the conclusion I personally found the interlacing patterns that I observed to be a bit off-putting and if it wasn’t for them I’d likely recommend this above models like the EW2750ZL for gaming. Because really, the responsiveness of the Samsung models is simply better and that’s obviously quite important to many people for gaming.
– I’ve had a lot of experience with 21:9 monitors (article 1 and article 2) and have been pleasantly surprised by game support. It’s much better than most people assume and I expect it to simply get better as 21:9 models are now fairly established and becoming increasingly popular. Enough for the game developers to take note, certainly. What sort of games do you play? Also be aware that the 29″ 21:9 models are only as tall as a 23″ 16:9 monitor, so perhaps you’d prefer a bit of extra height as the 27″ models would offer?
P.S. Your English is absolutely fine. Only thing is that I changed 27′ (27 ft.) to 27″ (27 inches) as I assume you don’t want a monitor measuring over 8m diagonally! 😀February 4, 2016 at 9:38 pm #37939
I need help deciding on a 27″ monitor. This monitor will primarily be used for console gaming and movie watching so 1980×1080 60hz with HDMI is all I need. As usual the best possible image quality and lowest level latency are prioritized. The only other requirement is Vesa mounting compatibility.
So I eventually narrowed it down to these two monitors (Though if you have any other suggestions I’d be happy to hear), the AOC I2769VM and the Asus VC279H. They both seem to fit my requirements quite well, with the AOC’s 23″ version having a fairly positive review on this site. However the VC279H seems to have no reviews present on the internet, which I assume is because of its relative newness. From what I can gather the VC279H was released in late 2015, and is very similar to the popular MX279H/VX279H AH-IPS panels from 2013 (Neither of which have Vesa mounts). Now given that the VC279H is very recent, that would put me under the assumption that it would be better, however I won’t jump to conclusions and it’s probably very similar to 2013 MX279H/VX279H panels. The AOC I2769M was also released in 2013 for reference, however I’m unsure if this one is “AH-IPS” and not just IPS.
So which would you suggest is better?February 4, 2016 at 9:51 pm #37943
Hi Valen and welcome,
I’ve merged your thread with this one as it’s an appropriate place to discuss this. Your requirements for VESA mounting puts an interesting slant on things, though. I appreciate that many of the Full HD models suggested here and also in the recommendations section lack VESA mounting (blame the manufacturers).
Given this, I do feel you’ve picked out two good choices there. Unfortunately I can’t provide feedback on the ASUS VC279H as I haven’t tested it nor have I received any solid user feedback on this model. I feel it is fair to compare it to the VX279H, as you did, which does offer pretty solid all-round performance. One potential issue that it does share with the VX series is the lack of adjustable ‘Trace Free’ pixel overdrive. So you’re stuck with the default setting, which in the case of the VX series is actually a touch aggressive and gives moderate overshoot (inverse ghosting) which isn’t ideal. The implementation on the VC may or may not be better than that.
The AOC I2769VM is a bit of an interesting one. In terms of image quality, it is indeed similar to the i2369Vm that we’ve tested. One particular issue that cropped up on the early revision I tested was that the pixel overdrive (I know I sound like a broken record here) was overly aggressive, even when set to ‘off’. However; I did report this to AOC and they claimed that it was an unintentional firmware bug. I didn’t follow up on whether it has been rectified, but they’re usually rather good at correcting that sort of obvious flaw. And indeed user feedback on our preferred retailer is full of people praising the monitor without complaints about this sort of thing.
Given your requirements and what I know about the monitor, and assuming this issue has been fixed, the I2769VM should be a solid choice. I can’t really recommend anything that would be more suitable for your uses and also has VESA mounting.February 6, 2016 at 8:02 pm #37956
Thanks for the advice. I found out the AOC I2769M has 2 HDMI ports whereas the VC279H only has one, which is far more convenient for me. I also read on this site that some of the Asus features that are present on the VC such as VividPixel are actually best left turned off, so I guess I’ll just go with the AOC.
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